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Ethanol? Anyone treat their gas?

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Sikiguya

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Hi,

I have read some stuff about ethanol in boats. What are their effects on the Rotax engine? Anyone uses the treatment they sell to offset the effect of ethanol?

I am assuming that everyone use standard 87 octane fuel? Anyone uses anything different and why? Any advantage?:patriot:

Thanks,

Jim
 
I run 87 with the new Sta-bil marine formula. I think its cheap insurance as ther may be periods the fuel gets old in the boat. Dont want to mess up my fuel injection systems on two motors.

Craig
 
Dont do it
It will seperate when it sits for a long time
Fuel with any form of alcahol has less power potential
Tends to accelerate corrosion in the carbs
no good reason to use unless you think you are saving the planet , but then you wouldn't be into recreational boating , would you
Want something to add to your gas ?
try SeaFoam
get it at any auto parts store
 
When I got my 2001 Utopia, the dealer told me never use ethanol because it will tear up the engine. I use 91 octane and throw a can of SeaFoam in it every 2 or 3 fillups just to make sure there's no water in the gas from condensation.

I've never had a fuel problem but then again, I hit the water as often as I can, at least twice a month. I'd hate to see anyone have a problem just to save a few bucks with each fill up. I've got the Optimax 210 and it runs like the day it was new.

Take care of your baby and it will take care of you. It's usually better to spend the money a little each month than it is to spend it paying a mechanic!
 
Hey guys im very concerned with this also. I have the 250 Optimax in my Utopia. I use it mostly every weekend and fill her up with 93 Octane. Should i still use sea foam or Sta-bil?
 
Boeing,

I would think if your emptying(and refilling) your tank weekly I wouldnt think you'd need to add anything to your fuel. If your fuel lasts a few weeks or more I would add an additive for insurance. Remember, the more air in your tank the greater the chance of condensation(water).

Craig
 
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i usually try to keep her topped off but this weekend i killed 3/4 tank. so its pretty empty right now. next time i hit the pump should i put in some seaform or sta-bil. and which one do you recommend
 
Boeing, I'm no fuel expert but I would think either one would serve the purpose. I chose Sta-bil marine formula only because of the brand reputation.

Craig
 
Thanks for the info guys! I have been using diesel for the last 2 years and haven't paid much attention to gas. 40+mpg and 600 miles between fueling.:cheers:

But I have seen stickers at most gas stations that states that ethanol is in most of the gas. Just wondering. I guess I have to either find a station with higher octane without ethanol or use additives.
 
Thanks for the info guys! I have been using diesel for the last 2 years and haven't paid much attention to gas. 40+mpg and 600 miles between fueling.:cheers:

But I have seen stickers at most gas stations that states that ethanol is in most of the gas. Just wondering. I guess I have to either find a station with higher octane without ethanol or use additives.

In general, at least in Canada, the premium fuel is not ethanol enhanced. Most places will have the "may contain up to 10% ethanol" on the 87 and 89 octane blends. The 91-93 octane blends generally are not ethanol enhanced. Sunoco 94 is ethanol enhanced.

Matt
 
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Buring E85

Dont do it
It will seperate when it sits for a long time
Fuel with any form of alcahol has less power potential
Tends to accelerate corrosion in the carbs
no good reason to use unless you think you are saving the planet , but then you wouldn't be into recreational boating , would you
Want something to add to your gas ?
try SeaFoam
get it at any auto parts store


:agree:, he hit the nail right on the head. I have been researching this since it was first brought up a few months ago. I will NOT ever put E85 in my Rotax if I can at all help it!

The theory behind this kinda turned out to be a no brainer. Ethanol was first used adding to beverages. It's made from grain in it's true form but has recently been made by synthetics.

The old saying, "alcohol and oil does not mix" should apply here. From what I've been reading, outside the moisture content in it, it also corrodes the magnesium, aluminum and rubber parts in your carbs. The auto industry is making what they call FFV's (flexible fuel vehicles). These vehicles have fuel systems that have all the above materials removed.

Depending on composition and source, E85 has an octane rating of 100-105 compared to a regular gasoline's rating of 85-93. So you can see right here that this fuel is not meant for the Rotax which states in the shop manuals to use 87 octane, 91 in the 4-TEC's. The higher octane rating will allow it to be used in higher compression engines which tend to produce more power per unit of displacement than their gasoline counterparts. Since the reciprocating mass of the engine increases in proportion to the displacement of the engine, E85 has a higher potential efficiency for an engine of equal power. What this means is any of the Rotax's that are modded out with extreme racing cranks etc....can use the E85 more efficiently than our stock motors. You can see this in drag racing. These drag boats use methanol, alcohol or some other type of alcohol blend.

One complication is that use of gasoline in an engine with a high enough compression ratio to use the E85 efficiently would likely result in catastrophic failure due to engine detonation, as octane rating of gasoline is not high enough to withstand the greater compression ratios in use with an engine specifically designed to run on E85. So this too is proof that our engines are not equipped to run the higher combustion it takes to completly burn the fuel.

It is a proven fact already that E85 has a lower mile per gallon rating than gasoline.

One of the biggest reasons for us to switch to a biofuel was the environment, outside the fact that we need to start finding alternative fuel sources. Scientists first thought that biofuels were good for the environment because it had a smaller carbon footprint, which might be true. But, the production of grain alcohol itself is not environmentally sound. Burning it is but making it isn't.......

All my research comes from websites off the internet. The material above was summarized therefore, not cited. I am still gathering information that I will eventually use in "Snipes Korner" but for the moment, it seemed a good idea to throw a little into this thread.

Bottom line,.......I don't care if I have to drive an extra 25 miles for pure gas, I will. The only way I'll burn E85 in my vehicles, lawnmowers, or Seadoo's is if the government leaves me no choice..........:cheers:
 
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May contain???

What is that?!! May contain? Your food may contain human fluid????...just kidding.

So, the lower octane may contain it...and the higher one don't?

I just fueled up today and I wandered over to the gas pumps at BP Amoco. The pumps have 87,89, and 91. A sticker says "May contain Ethanol"...Do I need a secret decoder ring??? Or do I already know that Orphan Annie say to drink your Olvotine?:rant:
 
Snipe,

I dont think we're talking about E85. E10 if you will, is the stuff most of us use in our cars and boats. Up to 10% ethanol. Our boats can not run on E85 even if we wanted it to. It would require major computer reprogramming and extensive fuel line and delivery modifications.

Craig
 
Snipe,

I dont think we're talking about E85. E10 if you will, is the stuff most of us use in our cars and boats. Up to 10% ethanol. Our boats can not run on E85 even if we wanted it to. It would require major computer reprogramming and extensive fuel line and delivery modifications.

Craig

Still the same thing , E85 is just more of the bad stuff
So if I introduce Cyanide to your diet bit only in a small amount at a time , Is that OK with you
Ethanol , Like Cyanide , has a Accumlitive effect ,
Once the seperation starts it never re-bindes , and the corrosion does not reverse
 
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