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Cleaning Inside Of Hull After Salt Water Use & Is 10% Ethanol a Problem?

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dlwn88

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Hey Everyone,

I've owned a 2007 Sea-Doo GTI for over a half a year now and absolutely love it :thumbsup:. I've been taking care of it to the best of my knowledge but have recently read a couple on conflicting things so I wanted to know what you guys usually do after taking your PWC out in salt water. I normally open the seat to let it air out, use a sponge to collect all the water out of the bottom of the hull, and spray WD-40 inside the hull and let it air out for awhile before putting the seat back on. Is there anything else I should be doing to prevent corrosion or anything like that? I've been doing this since I've owned it and haven't seen any issues so far.

I've also been reading a lot about ethanol and its effects on PWC's and boats. I've been running only 87 octane with 10% ethanol since I've owned, barely any places here in Virginia that sell gas without any ethanol. I've read that no ethanol is better then 10% for our 4TEC engines, but I've also read that mixing the two together can cause serious problems. Are these newer jet ski's able to burn E-10 without any of these strange problems I've been reading (everything from gaskets being ruined, corrosion in fuel lines, etc) ?

Thanks,
Dave
 
Hi dlwn88 - Welcome to the best Seadoo forum.

You are correct to get all the water out of the hull and spray the engine down. BUT you MUST also flush the engine. The guys here will do it 2 ways. 1. hook it to a hose once you get home and run it for a minute or two. 2. On you way home stop at a fresh water lake ramp and back the trailer into the water with ski on it and then start the ski. Run for as long as you like as long as the pump is in the water.

As far as running Ethanol in 4 tecs. i don't know about that, but the main problem in older skis was the ethanol and the gray tempo fuel lines.
Some of the experts will chime in with their thoughts...just give them some time to answer.
 
WD40 isnt the best thing to use really. Use a silicone spray. You should also use salt away to flush the engine. It will prevent the nasty build up from the salt. You can also flush inside the hull once in a while with it.
 
yes, use silicon, wd 40 stinks, also,
squirt down all inside of hull about every month or so, with a cleaner, i use grease lightning, let it soak real good, take an old paintbrush and brush it all around, hose out with fresh water, let dry out and spray with silicon, use dielectric grease on all connectors, every couple months, and store in garage with seats off, will dry out real good and wont get all moldy, -- flush engine after every use for couple minutes with a hose, this is only way to remove all sand, dirt, sediments, that crap about flushin in a lake, expecially around a boat ramp where all the dirt and crap is all stirred up -- is completly up to you
 
WD40 is more of a solvent than a lubricant so it can be harmful to the paint on the engine and other surfaces. Any brand of silicone spray is fine, I got mine at Lowe's, Liquid Wrench brand. I agree with Griz, stopping at fresh water lake is a bad idea, you're not going to get much circulation through the engine unless the ski is moving, and the water at a ramp is not the best anyway, you're much better off flushing with a hose, where you can get pressure through the engine.

I use Castrol super clean on the bilge. I only clean the bilge a couple of times a year, but since you are using your ski in salt water it wouldn't be a bad idea to flush the bilge with plain water each time you use it.

Oh, I forgot to answer your question about gasoline, if you can find pure gas use it, the ethanol in modern gasoline's actually attracts water. There's a site on the internet I think it's puregas.org that will tell you if there are any stations in your area that sell pure gas. I that's not the correct address just google pure gas.

Lou
 
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Thanks for the info guys. I've flushed my Sea-Doo before, but not after every use. The manual, from the way I read it, recommended doing so when the ski was to be sitting for awhile. I frequently use it, even in the winter time, because I'm apart of a group of people that have our jet ski rigged for fishing. It's a blast. Figured if I was frequently using it all the crap wouldn't stay in there for long, but I'll start flushing it more often then to be safe. A little hard to do living in an apartment but luckily there is a hose near by and my parking spot is close too it.

Anyways, just came back from Lowes and got some of that Liquid Wrench. I actually found it and figured it matched the description of what I needed, came back to find a post that mentioned it so that's good.

Last thing, as far as cleaning the inside with fresh water, are you guys just poring fresh water right inside the hull and over the engine to clean it, then draining it out? I've always wanted to do that but wasn't sure about the whole dunking water for the engine idea haha.

Thanks for your help guys, I really appreciate it.
 
no, not the engine, but the hull, correct me if im wrong, but when i use my ski, i get some water in it, when im done for the day, i pull my drain plugs and seems like a good amount of water comes out, i use mine mostly salt water, so time to time, i squirt some cleaner (grease lightning) or any other all purpose cleaner like 409 or something, let is soak, brush it around, then i take hose, (not full blast or nothin), rinsing all the soapy water out, then leave it dry some, spray it all down then with silicon, i get it free from work, (dodge dealer) i use mopar brand u can buy at any dodge dealer, but u should flush it out with hose, cause theres a chamber under motor, that will fill with sediments in time, then can give u problems, there is a fishing section here at seadooforums, post us up some pics of your ski, alright ????
 
I flush the inside of the hull with fresh water after every saltwater use, as well as flushing the engine.

As for corrosion, I use a product called CorrosionX. Works very well for me. It will coat everything inside of the engine compartment, and remove any corrosion already present (heavier corrosion will take a couple of applications). I use the corrosionX about once a month, or to spot treat corrosion as necessary.
 
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Ethanol is no good in anything that doesn't get used on a daily basis. In a car it's not as bad because it doesn't sit for weeks at a time without being used. In a toy (like a sled, bike or jet ski) it can be detrimental. Like Lou stated the ethanol attracts moisture, and since we play in the water it WILL cause issues over time and can cause the fuel to "gel".
The best method of defense I've found is a product from Starbrite called Star Tron. For $10 a bottle it's cheap insurance against the destructive characteristics of E-based fuels.

http://www.starbrite.com/sproductdetail.cfm?ID=1537

FWIW - Shell's top tier gasoline contains NO ethanol. In Canada anyway...
 
It appears ethanol is slowly going away. A lot of stations are refusing to sell it and many farmers aren't growing the corn they need to make it. This past year, I have read many articles that show it's not as cheap or economical as was first thought. I won't go into it because it's a lengthy subject, but you can google it and find these same articles.

The damage done by ethanol in our fuel system is limited to anything that has rubber fuel lines, rubber gaskets and component parts of a carb. Fuel injected engines, like in most automobiles don't see the same amount of damage. Like it was mentioned by someone in a past post, ethanol is an alcohol based product. Alcohols inherit properties is to absorb moisture. So, with ethanol in your tank, any mositure in the air that is displaced as you burn your fuel, is going to loose it's mositure to the ethanol in your fuel, causing water to build in your carbs. When this happens the metal in your carbs, ie. springs, screws, needle valve parts and levers and anything else that can rust, will be affected. The other downside is, alcohol (ethanol) also causes rubber to swell. So, your "0" rings and diaphragms will, over time, not work like they are suppose to.

If you do not have access to 100% fuel, you can use an ethanol additive for your fuel. At one point, I used Stabil and/or Lucas. I don't use it anymore because where I live, we have large marina's and the owners sought out real gas because of the complaints of the boat owners. But, use the ethanol additive if you can't find the good stuff, this will counter the mositure problem and minimize the damage to your rubber lines and gaskets. I saw a statement about the "Tempo" fuel lines. Those lines were a problem way before we started using ethanol in our gas, if you have them, get them changed out ASAP.

Cleaning? The Seadoo (Rotax) motors are designed to be wet. They were built with the intent that they would be dumped over and flooded. Thats why they put floatation in them. So, while playing, if we dumped it, we could tow it back and drain the water. Therefore, you can rinse down your motor with fresh water from your water hose. Now, in saying that, it doesn't mean take the spary nozzle and blast the motor with it. All your electrical connectors are suppose to be "water resistant"... not "water proof". There is a difference. I use the open end of my water hose to gently wash down my entire hull and motor. I do not buy any of that store bought stuff. It's a waste of money.

I clean my hull maybe once a year. What is the best grease cutter on the market? "Dawn" dishwashing liquid. Even the Coast Guard uses it to trap and disperse oil sheen. This liquid will cut any grime in your hull. Up to you, spend the big bucks or steal your ole ladys dishwashing liquid.

Lubrication?... another myth.. you don't have to spray everything with some protectant. If you want to, I'm sure it doesn't hurt, but to me, it's a waste of money. The only real thing you need to spray protectant on is your moving parts, like carb linkages. I do use WD-40, only because it evaporates the petroleum distillates off and leaves an oil based coating. Like I said, I only spray my moving parts.

Salt Water? This is a tricky topic and maybe, best if you use the search engine in the forum to look for my research, or do some of your own. Salt water is about 96.5% water and 3.4% salts. There are a few other elements (as many as 84 of earth elements) and are dissolved particulates. The gases you can find are oxygen and hydrogen. But, the ones you have to worry about are the mineral particulates like Sodium Chloride (Salt), magnesium, sulfur, calcium, potassium and bromide, just to name a few.

The problem these deposits create, isn't really washed away by your flushing. When you flush, your only washing way sediments and particulates that are still dissolved in the water. Even the most cared for engine, over a period of time, will show corrosion from these minerals. The reason is simple. The word is called "leaching". When your motor passes the exhaust through the open loop system, the water heats up. When the water reaches temperature to the metals capability of absorbtion, the minerals leach out of the water and cling to the metal components. This is something a lot of older Seadoo owners see on the tuned pipe. Anyone that has had to remove and repair the round welded lugs of the pre-heater of the tuned pipe, has seen the white build-up that caused the damage. That is calcium and sodium chloride damage that was leached out of the water. You can't stop this.

Rotax came up with the good idea of a closed loop cooling system for the 4-TEC, so it will see a lot less mineral damage. The only thing they have to get mineral build up on is the open loop system of the exhaust. SCIC motors have the intercooler to worry about. I would flush and blow this out at least once a year.

Salt Away...? You can minimize mineral damage by using a product like "Salt Away". This will actuall help remove mineral deposits that have leached out of your water. It will only slow down the process, not stop it.

Fresh Water lakes. Though you lake riders don't have the same problems with the salt, you still have lakes high in minerals. There are some lakes that have far fewer, so deposits aren't as likely to build and damage the metal as fast. You might own the ski for 20 years before even seeing a problem, so you guys are lucky on that aspect of it.

I didn't plan for this post to be so long, but there were several questions in the thread I thought I might shed a bit of light on for you guys. Sorry it's so long, but it will give you the basics to be able to use tags to do your own research.....
 
Seadoosnipe - Thanks for clearing some up some questions. Great write up.

Merry Christmas to you and to all the SDForum friends.
 
One of the things I hate most about my 260 GTX iS is how hard it is to get to the engine! Unless you are willing to remove the entire top of the ski you have only a 12 x 18 inch hole to access your entire engine for clean up and washing down the interior of the hull. It is even hard to get rid of all the water on top of the hull does the IS system!

But when you pull the "trigger" it is ALL worth it!
 
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