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Cheap gas... Death of E85?

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Well, the AWD p85D is 691 HP. And the X has been confirmed for towing.

so, 500-700ish

Although expensive up front, the S would save me $200/month or more in fuel.

I tracked my miles, MPG, current fuel prices, and spend $300/month between my Tahoe and Jeep. A model S would have me spending $100 on electricity instead.

Lots of spreadsheets later, I'm drooling over this thing.

My wife and I are also planning epic tour the U.S. road trips, powered, FREE from the super charger network.

http://www.teslarati.com/interactive-tesla-supercharger-map/

My Tahoe was $55,000 new. 90,000 miles later, at 16 MPG, that's 5,625 gallons, or at $2.80, just under $16,000 in gas.

No oil changes, no spark plug changes. ONE moving part. Single speed transmission. What will I do with my weekends?!

I love tech and I love cars. My wife and I drove an S last summer. Still can't go a day without planning my purchase.

Used ones are approaching $65-75k. Which, is where I'll be unless I happen to land a new job in the next 2 years.

With an 8 year unlimited mile warranty, we plan to drive the hell out of it. We have friends in CA, TX, VA, and FL. Only thing we need to pay for is food :)

Did I mention it's made in the USA? As in, in CA? Crap, now I have to buy one.

I'm selling my 2 older skis this spring, my Tahoe goes to the wife (we need to tow and she can take it to work). Jeep gets sold in the fall, and THEN, if all that happens, and I clear a few other hurdles, and gas stays cheap, so I don't spend 3k on gas for the boat, then MAYBE I can get a used one.

Lol.
 
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Yep. It's the double edge sword of improved fuel efficiency.
More MPG means less gas burned. less gas burned means cheaper gas.

Cheaper gas means happier boating :)
 
SabrToothSqrl said:
Yep. It's the double edge sword of improved fuel efficiency.
More MPG means less gas burned. less gas burned means cheaper gas.

Cheaper gas means happier boating :)
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This statement works under normal supply and demand economics but as we have all experienced in the last few years gas and oil do not follow this rule.

More MPG = less gas burned
Less gas burned = more expensive gas.

You don't think the oil and gas companies are going to let their record profits go do you? If we use less they will just charge more for it to keep profits up. Remember when we were at record highs and the US consumption was actually down but prices stayed high.

Funniest thing I saw during the price peak was a national news interview with one of the big oil execs with him defending their record profits saying that what the american public doesn't understand is that their raw materials and operating costs are so high now we should not be giving them such a hard time because they are battling high prices just like Joe Public.

The thing was the reported did not challenge him.... Record profits? Any idiot knows that profits are after you pay all expenses and operating costs, they should not have been posting record profits if their operating costs were so high as they complained.

Sorry, off of soapbox Long Live The XP!
 
Oil is headed for $50/barrel so gasoline hasn't finished falling yet but shortly we'll begin hearing about state tax increases on fuel. Thus, we can trust this windfall will be short lived b/c the mandatory switch from fossil fuels still must be subsidized.
 
I agree, if they are not making enough on the fuel tax due to lower usage they will just increase the rate. Here in lovely California there is already a talk of the price going up due to taxing for carbon credits. WTF? We are already the most pollution regulated state so why the heck am I paying for carbon credits now? Oh, I forgot it's California.
 
one thing I noticed in Vancouver on vacation...

Every gas station was the same price, must be regulated....

down in my city, price disparity is insane, up or down 10c a gallon with stations a mile apart... and the higher priced one always has at least one or two people filling up.. (i'm guilty myself)

honestly if the public just decided to get really stubborn, and ALWAYS shop for the cheapest gas, we could start some price wars that would get their attention.

I used to use gas buddy website but after a while I just got lazy and picked one on the way home that was consistently on the lower end, although not always the lowest.
 
Cheap gas??? Where?? LOL... See what happens when you overpay for a while? All of a sudden, $2.50 seems cheap. Not that long ago when it hit $2 per gallon and the nation was in an uproar!
 
I gained 20 HP by putting bigger injectors and tuning my "fun" car to E85. I don't want it to go lol! image.jpg
 
mikidymac said:
I agree, if they are not making enough on the fuel tax due to lower usage they will just increase the rate. Here in lovely California there is already a talk of the price going up due to taxing for carbon credits. WTF? We are already the most pollution regulated state so why the heck am I paying for carbon credits now? Oh, I forgot it's California.
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Exactly, speaking of carbon credit offsets I wonder how many of those Redwood forest acerage owners in California receive carbon tax credits for maintaining their prehistoric wooded acreages?

I bet none of them ever will.
 
Luv2Camp said:
Cheap gas??? Where?? LOL... See what happens when you overpay for a while? All of a sudden, $2.50 seems cheap. Not that long ago when it hit $2 per gallon and the nation was in an uproar!
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I bet this was written for you: :)

"The Banana Republic

After the apes lost their banana trees to arson, foreign apes visited their jungle to offer them some of their bananas. These apes wore elaborate head-dresses and spoke with exotic accents. Normally bananas would sell for $30 per bushel. But give the situation at hand, lack of bananas and excess supply of crazy eyed monkeys, the new imported bananas were to be sold for $60.

At first, the exchange went apenuts. Everyone sold their banana stocks and panic ensued. The Grand Wizard ape stepped in to calm the bloody waters. He lowered the cost of borrowing from the Bank of Ape by an unprecedented 100 basis points. The little apes on the exchange were delighted, throwing crap back and forth between one another, bashing skulls in for fun–the works. Stockmarket recovered, and not before long, expensive bananas were to be enjoyed.

After a period of 5 years, the apes grew accustomed to fancy imported bananas. Slowly but surely, the price rose from $60 to $100. With the price north of $100, industrious apes began exploring new places to find bananas. Shortly thereafter, they found a bunch of banana trees way up in the mountains. You’d have to be absolutely insane to climb up there to get them, so they hired the dumbest apes and paid them a fortune to do the work.

Within a few years time, the jungle was booming with rich apes who worked in the new mountain ranges. The stock market roared, led by mountain range banana stocks. The president of the jungle promoted his new mountain range banana economy like crazy, all the while talking crap about the jungle’s addiction to foreign bananas. He told the citizen apes that the jungle didn’t need those fancy bighead apes with funny hats. Soon enough, the jungle would be producing their own bananas and could easily tell those foreign apes to shove off and to burn in hell.

The citizens enjoyed this rhetoric and re-elected their president for another term.

When the fancy apes heard this news, they got pissed off. But they didn’t react right away. They continued to sell the jungle apes their overpriced bananas, all the while encouraging them to expand their jungle economy based off the premise of ‘banana independence’. After the jungle apes built it up nice and strong, the foreign apes flooded the jungle with excess bananas, crushing the price and the stocks associated with it. The little apes on the exchange floor went nuts, selling banana stocks left and right until they passed out from exhaustion.

The mountain range banana business went bust and the jungle apes went hungry again.

The end."
 
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