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Hey everyone,
We recently added a page on our website called (build your own engine) an option that gives customers a choice on what parts they want in there engine, we priced them at exactly the same prices as SBT's premium engines except the 951 DI because it was just way to high so that engine is $100. cheaper then sbt. we did this for two reasons.

1) to give customers more choices when the buy from us.

2) to show how grossly over priced SBT and some other shops are.

can we get some feed back on what you guys think. good idea or not?
 
Hey everyone,
We recently added a page on our website called (build your own engine) an option that gives customers a choice on what parts they want in there engine, we priced them at exactly the same prices as SBT's premium engines except the 951 DI because it was just way to high so that engine is $100. cheaper then sbt. we did this for two reasons.

1) to give customers more choices when the buy from us.

2) to show how grossly over priced SBT and some other shops are.

can we get some feed back on what you guys think. good idea or not?

sounds good to me, im looking for a seadoo with a bad engine. ill keep you guys in mind
 
If you priced them 'at exactly the same prices as SBT's premium engine' how are you any cheaper, except for the 951 DI?
 
Are premium engines are cheaper than there premium engines, with the same warranty. what I'm saying is they are charging so much for there premium engines that you can build an engine with the most expensive parts for the same price, but there give you cheap parts for that extremely high price.

What I'm saying is its not fair what they charge there robbing people.
 
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but tech, this means that you are the same price as SBT. What's is the advantage to go with SES?

Did you come down to match or go up to match them?????? Your message is confusing

If they are grossly over-priced then you also, now!!!!!
 
im understanding that you can get a oem premium engine with oem parts from SBT or for the same price get a engine from S.E.S with after market pistons and rods etc. Thats what i understood so if i had a choice i'd go with S.E.S. but thats what i'm understanding.
 
Yes thats exactly It,
sorry if I'm being confusing. check out the web site its self explanatory

By the way SBT DOES NOT USE OEM PARTS. THEY USE THERE OWN BRANDED CHEAP PARTS.
 
I have never got a fuzzy feeling about this company...there are so many stories about ownership changes, good and bad feedback, etc.

So heres my question...why are you acting like you are not affiliated with SES on the PWCToday thread?? I know the answer...b/c your scared you will be banned...but the truth is SBT doesnt moderate ANYTHING. If you went on there bashing SBT...yes maybe...but there is no reason you cannot admit you are the owner of the company.

This all looks totally shady.

And for the record...I do not EVER recommend SBT motors. 580-650 maybe b/c of the low HP but even still it would be my last choice.

I would like to believe your company has turned a corner and are committed to building quality motors with quality components but there is too much funny business with delays, missing parts, etc.

So if you want to set the record straight I'd sure like to hear it. There is no need to hide the bad stuff...own up to it and tell us how going forward you are going to be the best option out there.

Customers can handle bad news if you are honest about it. Its when responsibility isnt taken or poor excuses are made that will burn relationships with a customer.

And dont write it in a PM...post it for everyone to read.
 
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no one said You recommended SBT.
The guy on Pwc today is a good freind of mine he works at a local dealer we talked earlier about the thread he left, he gave me the idea to ask you guys here what you thought of this idea. we have not changed owners sense 1995 when we bought this shop from our employer. we have always worked on seadoo and skidoo and in 2001 we went strictly seadoo engines we don't lie we try to stick to are turnaround sometimes were late we do are best we don't wanna have unhappy customers we want this business to last, we have only advertised on ebay until the last two years. if there is somthing for are customers we try to do it.

ps. whats a pm?
 
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I just wanted you to know I was not coming to this thread as a SBT lover. About the only good thing they have is neoprene pump rings...lol And cheap 580 motors.

You seriously want me to believe you used the same screen name here your "friend" did on PWCtoday?? Come on bro...That kind of crap makes me think some of these crazy stories I've read have some truth to them.
 
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did you check with joez and greg before you started pimpin your products here ???? shame, shame, and you even went in incognito, lol...
in the 2 stroke world of at least 10yr old skis or so, motors blow up, sometimes i think we want em to, here in florida, we consider an upper eng overhaul, a major tune up, cause i overhauled my upper engine for bout 180.00 in parts and 85.00 at machine shop, have friends that have purchased sbt engines, only bout a 45 min drive, and have a decent warranty, guy at work, put 1 in, rolled ski over, destroyed it, whithin 30 days, they replaced it, he put in next day, now 2 yrs later that 800 runnin strong, go figure. i think you feel that way cause they are your biggest competetor, i, myself, i will rebuild whatever parts that fail, doesnt matter, ive overhauled everything from a weedeater to a walkashaw diesel
 
im understanding that you can get a oem premium engine with oem parts from SBT or for the same price get a engine from S.E.S with after market pistons and rods etc. Thats what i understood so if i had a choice i'd go with S.E.S. but thats what i'm understanding.

theone3055 - You would rather have a motor build w/ aftermarket parts instead of OEM parts.....please clarify!
 
They are our competitor, but our volume is a drop in there bucket, they aren't worried about us I know. I just don't understand why people would pay that much money for that amount of engine. I just want to make a living doing what i love, not get rich off every engine.
 
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theone3055 - You would rather have a motor build w/ aftermarket parts instead of OEM parts.....please clarify!

beefier parts. not going to get into all the details but if i has a choice of proven name after market parts or oem i would go after market for the same price.
 
minn. he is the guy who got me on here told me abt you guys, set me up he only goes on these forums to look around when he has a tech issue for some help,
I do get what what your saying it does look bad.
 
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They are our competitor, but our volume is a drop in there bucket, they aren't worried about us I know. I just don't understand why people would pay that much money for that amount of engine. I just want to make a living doing what i love, not get rich off every engine.


B/c their isnt a bunch of threads where they had a customer's motor all summer and other horror stories. Plenty of threads on SBTs quality and they dont hide it...its all still on their forum. You know what kind of customer service/product you will receive with SBT.

I'd sure like to find a reman facility that can build a good product AND have spotless customer service. Until then I will build motors with BRP cranks, OEM CB and RV bearings, and Pro-x pistons and the customer will know he is getting the best motor that can be built...and unfortunately pay out the nose b/c I cannot buy these parts in bulk.
 
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Please get into details about aftermarket beating OEM in durability :lol:
beefier parts. not going to get into all the details but if i has a choice of proven name after market parts or oem i would go after market for the same price.
 
Please get into details about aftermarket beating OEM in durability :lol:

well im not a pro in the boat world but when i had my honda b16a pushing 380whp you cant do that with oem internals other then the crank. just saying if i had a choice for the same price thats where i would go.
 
Ok, didn't know you were new to boats. Here's the deal-Aftermarker cranks like Callies/cola/etc. are high dollar items made for racing, the aftermarket ones like hot rods are NOT comparable, the steel is lower grade, bearings are cheaper; basically any rebuilt motor you get from these guys is not going to outlast oem. The amount of strain a pwc engine is under is orders of magnitude higher than a car, being under load constantly.
 
WE offer Oem. cranks and pistons in our rebuilds but the price goes up a little.
 
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Ok, didn't know you were new to boats. Here's the deal-Aftermarker cranks like Callies/cola/etc. are high dollar items made for racing, the aftermarket ones like hot rods are NOT comparable, the steel is lower grade, bearings are cheaper; basically any rebuilt motor you get from these guys is not going to outlast oem. The amount of strain a pwc engine is under is orders of magnitude higher than a car, being under load constantly.

SES is offering after market pistons and rods. most oem cranks can handle alot of stress. most builds ive seen always used the oem crank.
 
SES I think you might come off more trustworthy if you don't try to bash the competition. Obviously everyone wants to promote their business, but do it the right way. Building value and distinguishing yourself is a good idea, but bad mouthing SBT isn't the way. Lets be honest you want more business or you wouldn't be doing this. Understandable, but pointing out differences in price, services offered, parts, etc withoutt bashing would probably get you more votes. My .02
 
I'd sure like to find a reman facility that can build a good product AND have spotless customer service. Until then I will build motors with BRP cranks, OEM CB and RV bearings, and Pro-x pistons and the customer will know he is getting the best motor that can be built...and unfortunately pay out the nose b/c I cannot buy these parts in bulk.

^^^^This^^^^
 
I have, to date, purchased 2 rebuilds from SES engines.
Both installed without issue and look great. He has even called to verify I got the engine in the ski and it worked.

I have not had these engines in the water yet, but SES has been very professional and helpful to me. (I am not easy to please).
I would like to constructively say that many small shop owners do not have the resources to manage slick "sbt" web sites, or a social media team. Hell, I make it a regular habit to destroy the morale of any GM rep on the Chevy forums (I hate my '09 Tahoe with a PASSION and want the world to know).

However, SES engines has provided me with 2 great looking, and from what I can tell, well built engines.
For not much more than I was paying a local repair guy, who could offer me no warranty, to do the same as.

By rebuilding and warrantying the whole thing he knows it's a better product, and I know I don't have to stress about my next money pit.

Many of you here realize that doing top ends on 10+ year old engines is a bad idea. The new power from the top destroys the crank within hours. So, it's honestly best to save yourself from doing it 2x.

I'm even working with my repair friend who fixes dozens of skis, to 'outsource' the engine rebuild to SES, as to offer a warranty on his work (not labor), but maintain his business of repairs. It would free up time to move more skis (profit), and everyone likes a warranty.

I do IT work for a living, and several of my tasks are outsourced. I can get a better product easier, or even cheaper, by having a specialist do it.

I have been impressed with their rebuilds, willingness to repair damage to cases, and even fixing a bolt hole I stripped out, without me feeling ripped off.

Once I get the ski's on the water I will give a full review / report.

I hope to have no issues, (let's face it, even with a warranty, I don't want to spend my time ripping out an engine), however if I do, and they stand by the warranty, I'm more than satisfied, and will continue to utilize them for my winter project skis, as well as my own engines if needed.)

I have two 951s from them, one is in my personal '02 XP, one is in my '99 GTX LTD that may be for sale this spring

The ability to 'custom' build an engine is an excellent idea; many people would like to know what parts are in their engine. I would, for example, suggest 1 or 2 engine setups that you feel are ideal, one that's higher end, one that's mid level. Explaining the differences, would be great.

Does your shop have access to a Dyno? Can you build a few engines, break them in, and get us real HP readings of "stock" and "stock+1" and "Stock+2" (names I made up just now for your engines).

perhaps if one made, say 10 or 20 more HP using the factory pipe and 87 or 89, then I'd buy it over one that was less HP.

Just a small business owner trying to help another...
I charge $70/hr for on-site computer repair / networks / installs / backup setups / etc.
I hold two degrees, one in technical support, the other in data communication (networking).

I don't charge a truck fee, I don't charge when I'm not on site, I bill in 15 min increments.
I tell people flat out that spending $140 with me on your 10 year old PC is a waste of money.
I tell people the best free antivirus (security essentials!)
I tell them the best free antispyware (MBAM)

I run my company honestly and fairly. I can make a profit without ripping people off or selling them junk they don't need.
Just try to leave Worst Buy without a $300 warranty on your $500 laptop.
In home from Geek Squad?! Last time I checked it worked out to over $100/hr to have a high school kid take a look at it.
If you read 'the consumerist' (web site, check it out!) all they are told to do is sell sell sell.
I don't sell items. I purchase what you need and charge labor. That's it. (and parts, but I don't have a markup).
I don't have a flashy web site, I do IT and networks, but I'm not the graphics design type.
I don't have the ability to cover the state or whole US, so I don't use social media to promote it.

anyway, that's just my morning ramblings... I'm finally off most of the drugs after surgery and excited to feel like a human again, and not a vegetable.
 
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