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Alright, here's a picture of the wires in question.
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I'm going to break out a wiring schematic and pull the MPEM to check it out and see if I can't start to make sense of this. Matt, I may take you up on the harness if it comes to that.
 
With work and everything else that's been going on, I haven't had a ton of time to work on the skis, or update this thread. An update will be coming in the next few days though. For now, I need some insight on my current issue. I got back on the race ski after spending some time working on the trailer, and I do have the electrical issue isolated, somewhat. The culprit seems to be the purple wire that feeds the relay that powers everything. As soon as I connect the battery, that wire goes hot. I swapped in another MPEM (same grey box) and the problem went away, but since I don't have a key for that one (yet) I can't tell too much else other than the key isn't recognized via the beeps. After briefly looking at a wiring diagram last night, I want to think its a faulty MPEM, but I still need to trace the purple wire elsewhere to see any other possibilities. Oddly enough, however, when the 'bad' MPEM powers up, it still indicates it's the correct key. Anyone have suggestions on how to fix this, shy of getting a new MPEM? I can elaborate on anything if need be.


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Since y’all have seen a few of the problems, its time to bring you fully up to speed on the build. #111 is going to be a pretty straight forward build, but I will share a few of the details. I started by stripping the GSX down to a bare hull, since I already had a list of parts that needed to come off of it anyway. Little did I realize just how much little stuff #111 was missing, making the purchase of the GSX more than worth it. With the GSX stripped and the parts inventoried, I pulled the motor to inspect it and clean all the copper gasket off of it. I knew the bottom end hadn’t been touched since SBT built this motor, due to the bolt heads still having paint on them. The disassembly and reassembly went without any problems, thankfully. Everything checked out good. The only slight issue I fixed was swapping the head. There was a spot in the head in the path of water flow that had been TIGed and built back up, but not 100% to my liking.

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While this wouldn’t have been an issue, I had a spare head from the GSX 787, so I swapped that over. On an interesting note, I decided to call SBT and get some info on this motor. Come to find out, it was built in 2002, over 100k units ago.


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Next, painted the motor so everything would match up.

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I also painted the exhaust, since I couldn’t stand the purple.

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I then set the motor back in the ski and hooked up the electrical to attempt to troubleshoot the problems, which have been discussed earlier.

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With the ski at a standstill until I can get a new MPEM, I turned to some other cosmetic jobs, starting with the handlebars. I swapped the GSX bars over, as well as the back piece of the handlebar pad. I picked up a yellow pad from a ’97 XP off ebay for cheap and will be painting the plastic black, which is an idea I borrowed from another build thread on here. I also started modding the old thumb throttle mount to accept the new finger throttle. I wanted the finger throttle to look almost factory, so I began trimming on the mount.

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I am still planning my next cuts to see if I can get the throttle to tuck in any further.
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That’s it for now. I am pushing hard to get this one on the water so I can enjoy it before it gets cold down here! Stay tuned for more.


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Here's a blurry teaser pic for for those of you that still keep up with this thread. I'll be catching y'all up very soon.

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Well, it's official: I'm horrible at keeping build threads up to date. I've been super busy around here and have neglected this thread, but it's time to fix that!

So to recap where I left off: the motor was disassembled, cleaned and inspected, reassembled, painted and is now sitting in the ski. The exhaust was painted and is also bolted in at this point. All the fuel lines have been replaced as well as the fuel baffle being repaired. With a week to go I still needed an MPEM, carbs cleaned, pump oil changed, pump installed… yeah. I had a long way to go!

Now to continue. With the motor aligned and locked down, I turned to hooking up the linkages and hoses which went smoothly. Now is when I have to give props to Minnetonka4me (again). Great all around guy to deal with and has super fast shipping! Once I got the new MPEM in hand, it was installed and all the electrical was plugged in and buttoned up. After picking up a new battery, it was time to light the 787 off for the first time. This is where #111 really tested my patience. The first issue began when it wasn't getting any spark. Since this was the rear E box from #2, my initial thought was a bad coil. After checking it out, it seemed fine. To see if I had an issue further up, I swapped the coil on the GTX over since I knew it was good. Nothing. At this point, I was turning to an issue further up the electrical system, all of which checked out fine at the time. Why I didn’t think to check earlier is beyond me, but I went back and looked at the wiring to the coil thinking I had a bad connection. It had a power wire, but no ground. Odd. That couldn't be right. So after grounding the coil, the craziest thing happened. It had spark! Whoda thunk? With that senior moment out of the way, it was time to FINALLY hear the 787 run. Or so I thought.

Issue #2 was that it didn’t want to draw fuel- it would run long enough to empty the fuel filter, but wouldn't siphon any more fuel. After cleaning the fuel selector valve (again), the problem still persisted. I know, I should have ordered a new selector before now, but that simply wasn't an option at this moment. After bypassing it and refilling the fuel filter bowl, it was time to try again. I hit the start button and after a few turns, it fired up and ran like a champ. To say I was excited would be an understatement. I was going to get to ride this thing after all.

With the ski running, it was time to finish reassembly. I painted the nozzle and installed the pump after checking it out and replacing the pump oil. The wear ring looked new, as did the pump oil. Now it was time to finish the handle bars, where I had left off last time.

Before I went to hacking away any more at the throttle mount, I decided to do a test assembly. To my surprise, it fit great. I could have done a little relief trimming, but that was a detail I could save for later. Next was to figure out hot to mount the handlebar pad, since I didn't see the GSX stem swapping over to the XP. The solution was a simple square bracket with 4 holes in it that was drawn from the GSX stem. After a little massaging, this was the final result:

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After finishing up the trailer and packing enough spare parts to fix about anything, I put the skis on the trailer late Thursday night in order to leave Friday after work.



Enter Friday afternoon.

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After quite literally outrunning a rain storm to the lake, I threw on a life jacket and backed the trailer off in the water to try and squeeze any riding time I could before the storm got me. After pushing off from the beach, I hit the start button and the ski fired right off. After idling around for a while to make sure everything was ready to rip, I slowly got more confidence in the ski. I'm quite sure that there was a permanent grin on my face for the whole hour I was out and I did my best to not hammer down on the ski, but for those of you who have ridden an X4 you know that's hard. REAL hard. With what throttle I was willing to give it considering it was a fresh top end, I could already tell this thing was an animal. With the rain coming down the river, I slipped the GTX and XP in the boat house and put them up for the night.

Over the next 2 days the ski did great, save for a random fuel delivery issue that needs to be sorted out. The acceleration and handling of this ski is nothing short of insane. I now understand the obsession you guys have with these skis! My crew ventured out to the rope swing at one point:

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Eventually the DESS post and choke will be moved up top, but that is a project for another time. Overall, I am more than pleased with how this turned out and I see this X4 being in the stable for quite some time. I have been catching up on some other projects, so due to time and money, #2 will be put on the backburner until Christmas or so. I plan to put a parts list together for it very soon and start collecting parts. Hope y'all have enjoyed the first half of the build. There is still another X4 in my shop waiting to be brought back from the dead. Stay tuned!
 
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Now to recap the last few months. Unfortunately, that was the only weekend I got to take the ski out before football season took hold. There are still a few little things that need buttoning up on the ski, like the issue of the throttle hitting the grip before its completely open, move or patch the holes in the handlebars, redo the bracket I made to hold the pad and a few other odds and ends. Since this thread is dedicated to both X4s I drug home back in June, it's time to begin on #2. I've acquired all the parts I need to finish this, most of which were cosmetic. I had planned to put a Jettrim seat on it, but the Blacktip Black Friday sale changed that, so I ordered BT seat cover, mats and grips. Since this motor checked out fine, all it will be getting is a good cleaning and paint job, which I hope to begin this weekend. Here is the ski as of late:

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Also, remember that GSX I bought this summer? Well, I traded Krispy that hull for this:

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Some of you may recognize it as the ski he parted out earlier this year. I am debating trying to reassemble it, though if someone on here twisted my arm enough, I suppose I could let it go. Its amazing how lite these 95's are! For now, it's just going to be something cool to look at in the barn.
 
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Im glad to see and read success stories! We hear so many "got screwed" "hack job" "water in motor" stories its good to read guys that put in the work and have some solid machines they built from the ground up.

Im also glad you got the "sickness"....lol welcome to the X-4 Cult!

Oh and of course thanks for the biz I highly appreciate the kind words.
 
Time for an update as I was finally home for a weekend to work on #2.

Here is what I started with:

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Nice use of Copper Gasket...

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Also note that the copper ring wasn't seated correctly at all. Shockingly enough it doesn't appear to have leaked.


I pulled the pump off and found this:

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Needless to say, a wear ring and full pump rebuild is happening.


Next it was out with the motor!

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And now for a shameless plug for Superclean...This stuff flat works!
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Letting the hull drain

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That's all I was able to get done for this weekend before I headed back to school. This one will be pretty straight forward from here on out: clean it up and pant the motor and exhaust, replace all consumable parts and fluids, reassemble and head to the lake!
 
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Update time!

Since the ride plate had a crack in it, I flipped the ski over to change the ride plate and buff the bottom.

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As many of you know, changing ride plates is almost as bad as the dentist. This one was no different. Since it was already cracked, as soon as I began to lift with a bottle jack, the thing went to pieces. A sawzall, pry bars and few hits of the hammer later here was the final product:

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The end result of hull buffing:
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I am working on getting the motor painted and the last few parts on order to bring this ski and my red XP back to life very soon. I hope to have these for sale in order to fund a few other projects I have on deck.

Stay Tuned!
 
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It’s time to bring this poor, neglected thread back from the dead! Quite a bit has happened since I last updated here. When I last updated, #2 was gutted and getting the hull cleaned up and the race ski was running like a top with the SBT motor in it. Once I had the hull right side up, it was time to re-assemble, so I won’t bore you with pictures on that. I got the Blacktip mats and seat cover on:
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I also got some decals off ebay and painted the hood.
As you will recall, this ski had an electrical gremlin which is what I think led to it being dumped at the salvage yard. I assumed this was an MPEM issue, so I ordered a new one from Nick thinking I was all set. I had gotten the ski completely reassembled and ready for a test fire when the electrical gremlin reared its ugly head again… we all know what assuming does.
Prior to this I had purchased another 96 XP (dubbed the RXP since it was red) to flip that was also in the same stages of completion. Ancient, not updated thread here: http://www.seadooforum.com/showthread.php?75286-Added-another-X4-to-the-fleet-today-y/page2
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This XP had an oil line fall off and burned the PTO cylinder up, but the MAG was fine. I decided to take a gamble and steal a piston and jug from my parts motor, thinking rings and a hone would get me back up and running. When I hit the starter, I was greeted with a horrible screeching noise- a ring snagged and wasted a cylinder. It was a rough week in the garage….
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Needing to clear the garage, I needed the best option to get a ski fixed and out the door ASAP. I was faced with a decision: sell the SBT motor, which had proven reliable after a season of use or #2’s motor that had all the signs of a fresh, low hour rebuild. I decided to play musical motors and swap the SBT motor into the RXP and #2’s motor into the race ski, leaving #2 gutted to fix another day.

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The RXP was water tested and sold a few weeks later.
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The goal was for the race ski to not be down any longer than necessary, so I took a gamble on #2’s motor being in running shape since I’d never heard it so much as turn over. After dropping the motor in a ski I knew to be good, the electrical gremlin came back again. I replaced the mag cover, being it was the only part I hadn’t touched. Problem solved! The ski fired right up and has survived several hours of beat downs since.

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The plan was to put a top end on #2, until I ran across this ski on CL:

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I bought that ski for the same amount as a top end, so my plan was to swap in the motor and part the rest. I didn’t know of the water in the motor until I found the thread on the forums the PO told me about. I have yet to tear into the motor to see the damage from the water ingestion, though I am hopeful the top end is salvageable- the motor itself spins over fine, so I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

I’m planning to drag the skis back in the garage around March for pre-season maintenance and an info center swap the race ski and assemble #2. It will be busy leading up to the season!
Stay tuned for updates!
 
Wrenching season has begun!

I started by tearing down the 787 from a parts ski I bought last year. I was told the motor has good compression, but didn't know until later on that the motor had water in it. I tore into it tonight to see what I had:

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The pictures tell the story pretty well, but I need advice here. I want this motor running on the cheap, but still done right. There isn't evidence of much water, but water is water.

The PO said it compression tested well, which judging by the top end I agree with. I'll probably hit it with a hone, new rings and call it good. The CB shaft needs rebuilding/ replacing, which I have another. The crank is my gamble. Would you run this? There's no rust on the bearings and it feels and sounds fine. This is where I bow to experience. I am fixing this ski to sell... What would you do?
 
If they're in spec, ruin a ball hone thru it and re ring it.
 
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Lol, glad you found it sorta funny. There's just way too much gap there and that washer shouldn't be wavy. The quick cheap option is sbt. If those are stock bore pistons look on Ebay for new OEM rings for a good deal. Personally I wouldn't run a cb that had rust on it. Look on Ebay or maybe someone here has one for sale. I've bought them in mint shape around $34 shipped, and I mean mint. But I still replace the bearings.
 
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