mashenden
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Yep, but it is more about human nature. I know I need a source that is on my way to the river, otherwise sooner or later I'll be out with none on order (jonesin' with thoughts of using used french fry oil).
Looks like Quicksilver is changing the bottle
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Yep, but it is more about human nature. I know I need a source that is on my way to the river, otherwise sooner or later I'll be out with none on order (jonesin' with thoughts of using used french fry oil).
I'll ask you these two questions:
Do you wait until your almost done your last roll of toilet paper to go buy more?
Do you wait until your on your last beer to go buy another case?
HECK NO, because you don't want burn marks in your drawers or lose your buzz, plan accordingly. I'm an XPS guy and I buy online and when I hit my last gallon I buy a case of 3.
Jetskigoodies
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Locally Dee's marine has a case of xps II for $117. For a case of 3 thats not bad. But you got to have extra just in case. I did locate marinas where we ride that carry xps2 though. I was shocked the one marina by higgins lake here carries it, they do not sell seadoo products but they have the oil, we went in to buy some parts for my boat and noticed it sitting on the bottom shelf. We asked them why they carry it and they said they have so many people coming in asking about it. So he said they would be dumb not to carry it. I am not for or against any other brand, I just tend to use what brp says to use.
mashenden
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Occasionally, and occasionally. And I have been known to wear my skid marks turned outward when I run out of beer and need more.
Butt seriously, if these engines are so sensitive that switching to a different type or brand will blow them apart (but not if the old stuff is x and the new stuff is y and only when certain planets are aligned, etc etc), then I have to make sure the oil supply is convenient. Going back to the other analogies, at worse I go thirsty, or the dog sticks its nose in my crotch for a good sniff.
Oh man, I almost spit soda on the monitor, thanks for the good laugh my ribs are hurting.
It's not that they are sensitive, you just need to get the correct rated oil as all the others stated. For some like me, will only run the XPS, I won't condone anyone for saving a buck or using a different brand. We have always ran our snowmobiles with Bombardier oil, from back when they put it in metal cans. We're not here to debate oils, that will get the thread locked down. I was just merely commenting on keeping track of your inventory supply. My local Wally World doesn't sell it, only the TWC3 or what ever it is, so I'm out on that option.
6-9 gallons a season ???? maybe you should fix that oil leak lou ???
Well, I've now got three ski's to feed.
Lou
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mashenden
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Again!?!? (just kiddin', Lou). I think we are safely in the "never mentioned prior" zone on most of this thread. I searched "dog crotch sniff" and came up with just this thread (in this forum. Google... a different story).
Yep - just havin' a bit o' fun and hoping that I can stick to my plan to get the right type of oil at the WM on the way to the river. I just need to get confirmation that it is still the right stuff. If I get a chance, I'll give QS/Merc a call.
andrewterri
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If you give them a call keep us posted because I am in the same boat as you.
mashenden
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Quicksilver/Merc confirmed that the new part # does supersede the old part #, but there was talk that they are going through a consolidation of products in their oil line (that is concerning). Unfortunately, they have not yet been able to conclusively confirm that 92-8M0058908 is low ash. They have taken my # and will get back to me.
From other sources I found that:
API-TC = American Petroleum Institute "TC" means two stroke (T), low ash (C)
TC-W3 = National Marine Manufacturers Association "TC-W3" means two stroke, ashless for water cooled motors.
Ash content is the non-combustible portion of a lubricating oil. Many of the additives found in oils contain metallic, non-combustible derivatives, such as barium, calcium and magnesium. Ash-less oils must be formulated without metallic or noncombustible additives.
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mashenden
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This just in (I added the bold and underline)...
From: Todd Ashcroft [mailto:Todd.Ashcroft@mercmarine.com] On Behalf Of MerCruiser Customer Assistance
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 5:41 PM
To: mashenden@comcast.net
Subject: Oil supersession 858036q01 to 8M0058908
Matt,
I discussed your concern regarding the description difference between 858036Q01 and 8M0058908 specifically dropping the "low ash" designation with the head of our oils product line. His explanation is as follows: "Hi Todd, it's low ash. But ash vs ashless really isn't important any more with changes in additive technology. Exceed specs for JASO FD and ISO EGD. It really is the best you can buy"
Best regards,
Todd Ashcroft
Consumer Support Specialist
MerCruiser Customer Service
Reference # 2013-26000
From: Todd Ashcroft [mailto:Todd.Ashcroft@mercmarine.com] On Behalf Of MerCruiser Customer Assistance
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 5:41 PM
To: mashenden@comcast.net
Subject: Oil supersession 858036q01 to 8M0058908
Matt,
I discussed your concern regarding the description difference between 858036Q01 and 8M0058908 specifically dropping the "low ash" designation with the head of our oils product line. His explanation is as follows: "Hi Todd, it's low ash. But ash vs ashless really isn't important any more with changes in additive technology. Exceed specs for JASO FD and ISO EGD. It really is the best you can buy"
Best regards,
Todd Ashcroft
Consumer Support Specialist
MerCruiser Customer Service
Reference # 2013-26000
CReynoldsMIZ
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Damn, wish I woulda known that before i just filled up with XPS II. Oh well
get_real
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I'm still confused, were his comments for the pink or the teal? Here's a pic of both. When I read the descriptions, the pink says it's for PWC that need API-TC, but appears to be a blend. The teal does not specify API-TC but is full synthetic. So would either work, or only the synthetic?
mashenden
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His comments were about the teal labeled bottle (full syn, API-TC). It would be good to confirm by looking at the UPC label, but the teal labeled gray bottle is part# 92-8M0058908, which replaces the Black bottle with a yellow and pink label (part # 92-858036Q01 as shown in my post above, not in yours). Both of these are full synthetic API-TC (low ash) 2 stroke oils, as confirmed by the response from Todd at Merc (and as noted on the Black bottle's label).
The gray bottle in your pic is a synthetic blend API-TC (low ash) 2 stroke oil.
At the risk of beating a dead horse (many other posts on when to use full vs blend), as I understand things, the blend API-TC oil is good for lower HP engines that do not have RAVE valves or fuel injection, like 587s, 657, and 717s. Many believe mineral (non synthetic) API-TC oil is also fine on these.
Many also believe that full synthetic API-TC oil should be used on 787s & 947 RAVE engines. Full synthetic API-TC oil can be used in the lower HP engines too, if the convenience of using one type in all skis outweighs the additional cost for the full syn oil.
TC-W3 rated oil is ashless and is not recommended for Sea Doo engines because of the rotary valve needing some ash to stay properly lubricated.
All that said, there are some schools of thought that believe the latest additives in any oil that has synthetic included is good to use in all of these engines... and gas with ethanol is good fuel, HA!!! Time will tell.
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