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FINALLY... the Ram 1500 Diesel!!

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I've been trying to buy one of the new 1500 RAM Diesel's since last fall. But every date that gave me would come an go with no updates. Well, 2 days ago, the EPA finally got the MPG test done, and they got the green light to move forward. So, today, I went to the local dealer, and they were able to order one.

The dealer is going to bring in a few, so hopefully, in a few weeks, I will have my new truck !!!

For the guys who don't know... the new engine is made by Fiat, and it's a small, V6, 3.0L diesel. But, even though it small... it's putting 420 Lb-ft to the ground. That gives it almost the same tow cap as the 5.7L hemi. (and more than my 4.7L) But the best part of all... it's going to get +28 MPG hwy. Most of the pre-production trucks are seeing 23 to 26 mph mixed driving. crunching the numbers for today's fuel prices... I will save almost $1k a year in fuel.


I'll keep you guys posted as this all unfolds.
 
...the new engine is made by Fiat...

That...is enough for me to avoid those Rams and Jeeps....the latter I assume will use the same motor in their "new" diesel.

I remember the "chinco chento"....and Fiat's attitude re any glitches that came along......"domani".
 
I personally know one of the lead designers of that engine. When my Ram gives up the ghost I'll be getting the diesel version.
 
In Australia we have the Diesel Jeep... the motor is Fiat...VM Motori(2.8ltr and 3.0ltr)...and I would say most are trouble free mine has over 157000klms with no problems...I know of others with over 250,000klms...only thing is parts are exxy...and timing belt needs changing every 100,000klms..
 
Yep.... its the VM Motors engine. I'm not the guy who normally jumps on new models like this, but I found that the engines have been used in Europe for a while, with a good track record.


Just an fyi..... about 4 years ago, Cummins made a 5.0L engine for Ram, but they dumped the project since it gave no advantage over the ISB engine. But now.... Nissan is rumored to be putting it in something for 2015.
 
a little about this truck ..............
3.0L COMMON RAIL DIESEL ENGINE
The 3.0L (183 C.I.D.) six - cylinder “common rail” direct injection engine is a 60° overhead valve design. The engine utilize a cast iron cylinder block. The engine has aluminum cross flow cylinder heads, four valves per cylinder, central injectors and dual overhead camshafts. The 3.0L is turbocharged, intercooled, and also equipped with a EGR cooler.

Additional features are:

•Finger Follower Actuated Valves with Hydraulic Adjusters
•Turbocharger and intercooler
•Oil Jet Cooled Pistons
•Swirl Intake Ports
•Water cooled exhaust gas recirculation, Compliance with EURO V emission regulations
•Chain driven D.O.H.C. per bank of cylinders, with 4 valves per cylinder
The engine identification stamp (3) for the 3.0L is located on the right side of the engine block, by the generator behind its mounting bracket.

(3.0L Diesel Engines)
MOPAR® Antifreeze/Coolant 10 Year/150,000 Mile Formula OAT (Organic Additive Technology) meeting the requirements of Chrysler Material Standard MS-12106
1 Gallon - 68163848AA (concentrate) 68163849AA (50/50)
11.6 Quarts
11.0 Liters

Engine Oil with Filter

Engine Oil (3.0L Diesel)
Use ACEA C3 5W-30 engine oil meeting Chrysler material standard MS-11106 or Pennzoil Ultra Euro L full synthetic 5W-30 motor oil

10.5 Quarts
10 Liters


Engine Oil Filter (3.0L Diesel Engines)
MOPAR® Engine Oil Filter
68229402AA

♦♦♦♦♦ Fuel Selection (3.0L Diesel)
All Models

26 Gallons
98.5 Liters

♦♦♦♦♦ Use good quality diesel fuel from a reputable supplier in your vehicle. Federal law requires that you must fuel this vehicle with Ultra Low Sulfur Highway Diesel fuel (15 ppm Sulfur maximum) and prohibits the use of Low Sulfur Highway Diesel fuel (500 ppm Sulfur maximum) to avoid damage to the emissions control system. For most year-round service, No. 2 diesel fuel meeting ASTM specification D-975 Grade S15 will provide good performance. We recommend you use a blend of up to 5% biodiesel, meeting ASTM specification D-6751 with your diesel engine.This vehicle is compatible with biodiesel blends greater than 5% but no greater than 20% biodiesel meeting ASTM specification D-6751 provided the shortened maintenance intervals are followed as directed. If the vehicle is exposed to extreme cold (below 20°F or -7°C), or is required to operate at colder-than-normal conditions for prolonged periods, use climatized No. 2 diesel fuel or dilute the No. 2 diesel fuel with 50% No. 1 diesel fuel. This will provide better protection from fuel gelling or wax-plugging of the fuel filters.


Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF)

3.0L Diesel Engine (All Models)
MOPAR® Diesel Exhaust Fluid (API Certified) (DEF) or equivalent that has been API Certified to the ISO 22241 standard. Use of fluids not API Certified to ISO 22241 may result in system damage.
1 Gallon - 68035704AA
8 Gallons
30.3 Liters

you have an automatic oil change indicator .................

Your vehicle is equipped with an automatic oil change indicator system. The oil change indicator system will remind you that it is time to take your vehicle in for scheduled maintenance.

Based on engine operating conditions, the oil change indicator message will illuminate. This means that service is required for your vehicle. Operating conditions such as frequent short trips, trailer tow, extremely hot or cold ambient temperatures will influence when the “Oil Change Required” message is displayed. Severe Operating Conditions can cause the change oil message to illuminate as early as 3,500 miles (5,600 km) since last reset. Have your vehicle serviced as soon as possible, within the next 500 miles (805 km).


NOTE: Under no circumstances should oil change intervals exceed 10,000 miles (16,000 km) or 12 months, whichever comes first.

OIL CHANGE INDICATOR - RESET
The vehicle is equipped with an engine oil change indicator system. The “Oil Change Required” message will flash in the EVIC display for approximately 10 seconds after a single chime has sounded to indicate the next scheduled oil change interval. The engine oil change indicator system is duty cycle based, which means the engine oil change interval may fluctuate dependent upon your personal driving style.

Unless reset, this message will continue to display each time you turn the ignition switch to the ON/RUN position. To turn off the message temporarily, press and release the Menu button. To reset the oil change indicator system (after performing the scheduled maintenance) perform the following procedure:

1.Turn the ignition switch to the “ON” position (Do not start the engine).


2.Fully depress the accelerator pedal slowly three times within 10 seconds.


3.Turn the ignition switch to the “LOCK” position.

NOTE: If the indicator message illuminates when you start the vehicle, the oil change indicator system did not reset. If necessary repeat this procedure.


some more crap .....

Displacement 3.0L
3.0L (2987 cc) (182 CID)

Bore
83 mm (3.26 in.)

Stroke
92 mm (3.62)

Compression Ratio
16.5 :1

Valves Per Cylinder
4

Weight
224 Kg (494 lbs.)

Power Output

Power Output (Over Torque)
172 Kw (230 HP) @ 3600 RPM

179 Kw (240 HP) @ 3600 RPM

Torque

Torque (Over Torque)
550 N·m (405 ft. lbs.) @ 1800–2600 RPM

570 N·m (420 ft. lbs.) @ 2000 RPM

Idle Speed - Warm
700 RPM

Max RPM in Gear
4200

Max RPM in Neutral
4800

Ribbed V-Belt Tension
Automatic Belt Tensioner Roller

Thermostat Opening
98° C (208° F)

Cooling System Capacity
11 L (11.6 Qts.)

Engine Oil Capacity
10 L (10.5 Qts.) W/Filter Change

Timing System
Chain Driven Dual Overhead Camshafts

Air Intake
Dry Filter With Turbocharger and Charge Air Cooler

Fuel Supply
Electric Pump In The Fuel Tank

Fuel System
Direct Fuel Injection Common Rail System

Combustion Cycle
4 Stroke Diesel

Cylinder Compression Difference Between Cylinders
5 Bar (73 psi.)

Cooling System
Water Cooling


Engine Pre Heat
Glow Plug

Glow Plug Type
Ceramic GLP 5

Glow Plug Voltage
7 Volts

Emission Standards
T2B5 (NAFTA)

Injector Opening Pressure
230 Bar (3,335 psi)

Injection Pressure
2000 Bar (29,008 psi)

Injection Pump
Bosch CP4.20/2, 2000 Bar (29,008 psi)

Injection Order
1-4-2-5-3-6

Injector Type
CRI 2-20

Lubrication
Pressure Lubricated By Rotary Pump

Oil Quantity with Filter
10 L (10.5 Qts)

Oil Pressure 90° C (100° F)
0.7 Bar (10 psi.) at Idle

2.5 Bar (36 psi) at 3800 RPM

Engine Rotation
Clockwise Viewed From Front Cover
 
a little more on DEF -- if some of you aren't familiar with it ---

SUBJECT:
Diesel Exhaust Fluid
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin provides information regarding the Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) vehicle
delivery fill guidelines.
MODELS:
**2013 - 2014 D2 Ram 3500 Pickup**
2011 - **2014** DD Ram 3500 Cab Chassis
**2013 - 2014 DJ Ram 2500 Pickup**
2011 - **2014** DP Ram 4500/5500 Cab Chassis
**2014 DS Ram 1500 Pickup**
**2014 VF Promaster
**2014 WK Grand Cherokee**
NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles equipped with the 6.7L Cummins Diesel
Engine (sales code ETJ or ETK), 3.0L V6 Diesel Engine (Sales Code EXF), or
the 3.0L In-line 4-Cylinder Diesel Engine (Sales Code EXG) only.
DISCUSSION:
The affected vehicles are equipped with diesel engines that use a Selective Catalytic
Reduction (SCR) exhaust emissions aftertreatment system. This technology is used to
reduce the Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) emissions of the engine so that it meets current U.S.
EPA and California exhaust emission requirements. In order to function properly and
ensure the vehicle meets applicable emission standards, the SCR system injects Diesel
Exhaust Fluid (DEF) into the exhaust upstream of the SCR catalyst. The DEF reacts with
the exhaust gas inside the catalyst to convert NOx to harmless gasses prior to release into
the atmosphere.

Since DEF is consumed during operation of the vehicle, the DEF tank must be refilled
periodically as outlined in the Owners Manual Diesel Supplement. The DEF filler cap is
clearly marked “Diesel Exhaust Fluid”. On Cab Chassis vehicles, the cap is located behind
the cab on the driver’s side of the truck. **On Pickup trucks and Grand Cherokee vehicles,
the cap is located behind the fuel fill door.** The tank is pre-filled with approximately 3
gallons of DEF from the manufacturing assembly plant. This factory fill should be adequate
to perform the vehicle's Pre-Delivery Inspection and other in-dealership operations.
**These diesel vehicles are equipped with an Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC)
that will provide the driver with warning messages displayed by the EVIC and audible
chimes informing the driver when it is necessary to refill the DEF tank. Please refer to the
applicable Owner’s Manual Diesel Supplement for complete aftertreatment warning
message details.
The driver will be notified when the level of DEF drops below approximately 2.5 gallons.
The first level warning displays the message "Engine Will Not Restart in XXXX mi DEF
Low Refill Soon". If the vehicle is driven too long with low DEF, the message “Engine Will
Not Restart in XXXX mi Refill DEF” will be displayed. And finally, “Engine Will Not Restart
Refill DEF” will be displayed if the driver continues to operate the vehicle without refilling
the DEF tank. At that point, the engine will no longer restart if it is shut off. A minimum of
2.5 gallons of DEF will need to be added in order to be able to restart the engine.**


NOTE: **2013/2014 Ram 2500/3500/4500/5500 Trucks warning strategy is similar to
what is stated previously however, there are some differences in the wording
of the messages reported out by the EVIC. Most notably, instead of
preventing the vehicle from restarting if the DEF tank is not refilled within the
appropriate mileage, the system is designed to end with a 5 MPH maximum
vehicle speed restriction.**
As indicated on the “New Vehicle Preparation Form,” dealers are requested to fill the DEF
tank just prior to delivering the vehicle to the owner. Labor Operation 25-08-01-40 can be
used to reimburse dealers for this DEF fill. This Labor Operation can only be used prior to
resale delivery and is not intended to be used for any warranty repair.
NOTE: **Do not prematurely fill the DEF tank. DEF has a limited shelf life based on
ambient temperatures. Vehicles that are exposed to high temperatures for
lengths of time may have their DEF urea concentration degrade to the point
that the DEF will become less effective at reducing NOx levels in the SCR
catalyst. If this occurs, the engine control system may illuminate the
Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) and set related Diagnostic Trouble Codes
(DTC). Refer to the following chart to get a better understanding of DEF shelf
life.**


DEF has a temperature dependent shelf life that shortens when exposed to elevated
temperatures. As temperatures increase, the Urea in the DEF degrades. As the
concentration degrades, the urea will become less effective at reducing NOx levels in the
SCR catalyst. The following chart provides the approximate shelf life of DEF versus
temperature.

Temperature Estimated Useful Life
32°F (0°C) Indefinite
50°F (10°C) 75 Years
68°F (20°C) 11 Years
86°F (30°C) 23 Months
95°F (35°C) 10 Months
104°F (40°C) 4 Months
122°F (50°C) 1 Month
140°F (60°C) 1 Week
It is recommended that dealers store DEF in a location that minimizes this degradation.
**If it is suspected that the urea concentration level has decreased too low, DEF can be
tested using a Refractometer. OTC DEF/UREA Refractometer (16-5025) is available
through Pentastar Service Equipment (PSE). DEF urea concentration should be at
32.5%.**
The DEF tank has been designed with an air space that accommodates the expansion of
DEF. Never 'top-off' the DEF tank after a normal fill, as that will allow DEF to fill the
expansion space, which can cause damage to the tank.
**DEF is subject to freezing at the lowest temperatures. For example, DEF may freeze at
temperatures at or below 12° F (-11° C). The system has been designed to operate in this
environment.**
Containers, pumps or plumbing containing iron, non-stainless steel, aluminum or brass will
rapidly corrode if used to store or transfer DEF. This corrosion can result in plugging of the
onboard DEF filter, or other emission system damage.
If DEF is spilled, it should be cleaned up with mild soap and water to avoid corrosion or
damage to components and finished surfaces.
**DEF can crystallize when exposed to air. However, the crystals should re-dissolve when
reintroduced to fresh DEF. Crystallization may be noticed around the DEF filler opening
and is normal.**
The following Diagnostic Trouble Code may be displayed on a Diagnostic Scan Tool if the level of DEF was low.

· P203F - (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) Reductant Level Too Low
When this code is set, the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) initiates a countdown that will
inhibit an engine restart if the DEF system is not serviced within 500 miles (805 km) of the
fault being detected. It also commands the Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC) to
display the Low DEF messages. If the engine fails to start due to LOW DEF, a minimum of
2.5 gallons are required to be added before the vehicle will start.
Please refer to the Service Information and/or the Owner's Manual for additional
information.
NOTE: **Improper, diluted, or contaminated DEF may lead to MILs and no start
conditions, so it is important to use MOPAR® Diesel Exhaust Fluid (API
Certified) (DEF) or equivalent that has been API Certified to the ISO 22241
standard. Use of fluids not API Certified to ISO 22241 may result in system
damage.**
PARTS REQUIRED:
Qty. Part No. Description
AR 68035704AB Fluid, Diesel Exhaust - 1 gal container
AR 68056278AB Fluid, Diesel Exhaust - 2.5 gal container
AR 68035700AB Fluid, Diesel Exhaust - 55 gal drum
 
Our diesel fuel around here is going about a dollar more than gas per gallon. My buddy has a 2013 Ram 2500 with the Cummins diesel. He says it gets around 22 highway. That DEF really works. You can barely smell the diesel exhaust.
Good luck with your new truck.
 
Grizz...

Thanks for the info. I had a buddy who was a tech at a local dealer, but he just recently switched careers and is now assembling large steam turbines at Eliot Co.
 
Your vehicle is equipped with an automatic oil change indicator system. The oil change indicator system will remind you that it is time to take your vehicle in for scheduled maintenance.

Based on engine operating conditions, the oil change indicator message will illuminate. This means that service is required for your vehicle. Operating conditions such as frequent short trips, trailer tow, extremely hot or cold ambient temperatures will influence when the “Oil Change Required” message is displayed. Severe Operating Conditions can cause the change oil message to illuminate as early as 3,500 miles (5,600 km) since last reset. Have your vehicle serviced as soon as possible, within the next 500 miles (805 km).

This dealer offers a lifetime powertrain warranty which requires the oil be changed at a min of 6,000 miles or 6 months.

Tony, did you deal with Tony Brooks? Make sure they throw in a 4 oil change package into the deal. I got that with both the Ram and the Jeep.
 
I've been trying to buy one of the new 1500 RAM Diesel's since last fall. But every date that gave me would come an go with no updates. Well, 2 days ago, the EPA finally got the MPG test done, and they got the green light to move forward. So, today, I went to the local dealer, and they were able to order one.

The dealer is going to bring in a few, so hopefully, in a few weeks, I will have my new truck !!!

For the guys who don't know... the new engine is made by Fiat, and it's a small, V6, 3.0L diesel. But, even though it small... it's putting 420 Lb-ft to the ground. That gives it almost the same tow cap as the 5.7L hemi. (and more than my 4.7L) But the best part of all... it's going to get +28 MPG hwy. Most of the pre-production trucks are seeing 23 to 26 mph mixed driving. crunching the numbers for today's fuel prices... I will save almost $1k a year in fuel.


I'll keep you guys posted as this all unfolds.

Nice! I am excited to see those around, I may even go test drive one myself!
 
Nope... didn't deal with Tony. The guy I'm working with right now is Michael. I had a different sales person last time I went in... but didn't like her, and said I wanted someone else.

Not to worry... with 2.5gal of oil in that engine.... I'll get a few oil changes on the deal.

I think I've figured out the options I want... so I'm going to stop back on Tuesday, and try to get a delivery date nailed down.
 
Well....

There were a few bumps in the road, but we are now in track again. Looks like they are going to release the "pre-spec" trucks in the next few days for delivery. Those are the trucks built just to send out as the initial release. But,,, if my dealer can't get the VIN from one, to lock in this month's deals... I will just order one with exactly what I want.
 
I too like the fact that Dodge has FINALLY put a medium duty diesel into their truck. I like the Ram, but would never consider towing anything of significant weight any great distance with a gasoline engine. I had a good look at the 3.0L at the Auto Show last week and I really like the specs. Hopefully it will stand the test of time. Chrysler's last "light duty" diesel (in the Liberty) only lasted one or two production years and was pulled for emissions reasons. Keep us posted, Dr....
 
The old CRD engine wasn't great, and it would have been lacking in a truck. The new engine was developed for GM in the Caddy CTS. But when they went bankrupt, the engine sat. Eventually, it got into a few things in Europe, and Ram has had the demo trucks running around for a year or so... So, I'm sure it will work out well. Also, with the new 8 speed trans... it can keep the diesel in its proper rpm range.

After thinking about it... I'm going to lease it. That way... if it sucks... I can walk away from it. But if I like it... I will either buy it at the end, or turn it in, and buy a new version.
 
I got tired of waiting on the Pre-spec trucks... so I ordered one today.

Ram 1500, Crew Cab, 4x4, Long Horn.
3.0L Ecodiesel
Cherry Red Metallic
17" Wheels
Remote Start
Back up camera + Park assist
Luxury Group
Trailer brake control
uConnect 8.0A


MSRP $46,900.



Hopefully it will get built, and be here by the end of March.
 
JD Power just released their vehicle manufacturers dependability study (Problems experienced/100 vehicles 3yrs of age).
 

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Just a little follow up.....


Right now, my custom build is in "D1" status. My build date is 3-26-2014. So, if all goes well, it will be built next wed.
 
Just a little follow up.....


Right now, my custom build is in "D1" status. My build date is 3-26-2014. So, if all goes well, it will be built next wed.

It is always kind of cool to be able to follow your build...

Did the same thing with my Sport Trac a few years back...
 
Not yet.

It was built on time... and got finished the following day. Then, it sat in "Inspection" for a couple days... and was at "Waiting for shipment" Last Tuesday. Then on Wed... it was "Staged for shipment, and was shuttled to FlatRock MI. (There is a train depot there) Hoppfully it will get shipped this week.

I'm away on a Biz trip until Friday. I think it would be the best way to finish the week of my new job. I can come home, and have my new truck.

I have a guy on the inside who is helping me. I should have an update tomorrow morning. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it actually gets on a train.
 
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