Whats the best oil to use for a 95 Sea doo Speedster

[mikemor]

Hi Guys, I am a newbie to both this Site and Owning a Boat.Can someone tell me what would be the best oil to use?,i've bin told soooo many stories.The original owner says he used regular CanadianTire 2 stroke engine oil,could this be the reason it smokes so bad.
Thanks any help is appreciated.

 

[Dr Honda]

Seadoo only approves the use of an API-TC oil. The older engines can use mineral oil, but I always recommend a synth blend. In no circumstance should a TC-w3 oil be used.

 

[RFoster130]

Im not sure what the canadian blend oil is, but im gonna guess its not what you need. Like doc says, APi TC is required. On the older non RAVE engine you are safe to use a mineral synthetic blend. Either quicksilver PWC blend or Sea Doo XPS.

 

[mikemor]

Thanks Guys,maybe this will reduce some of the heavy smoking.

 

[100guard]

Hey mikemor,

So what did you end up buying? Does CT carry this APi TC Oil? Where's (and how much) the cheapest semi-synthetic seller you've found?

 

[mikemor]

No CanadianTire does not sell the APi TC Oil but some of the Bambardier Dealers in the Muskoka area do,and the prices range $60 to $70 for 1gl. Cheaper on line but shipping kills you!

 

[100guard]

Dropped in on Wallie., CT., no APi TC Oil....just the TWC3 stuff. Will keep hunting. Dealers where closed today in my parts.

 

[Busted Grouse]

I'm using Bombardier mineral oil in my '95 Speedster. Lots of smoke on initial start up, then it runs fine with very little smoke. And it hasn't exploded yet.

 

[Stevego]

Dropped in on Wallie., CT., no APi TC Oil....just the TWC3 stuff. Will keep hunting. Dealers where closed today in my parts.

CT in my area carries AMSOIL Intercepter that meets the spec. A little expensive however at around $16 per liter. I found a local AMSOIL distributor that sells for $11 a liter or $44 per 3.78 liter jug. Try finding a Local AMSOIL dealer on a car club or something.
I am currently running Quicksilver but can only find it in the US at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart Canada does not seem to carry it...

 

[100guard]

CT in my area carries AMSOIL Intercepter that meets the spec..... I found a local AMSOIL distributor that sells for $11 a liter or $44 per 3.78 liter jug. Try finding a Local AMSOIL dealer on a car club or something...

Will Do!!! Merci Beaucoup!!! How does that baby handle on the St. Lawrence? lol??

CT., is that Semi or full synth?

The Amsoil Dealer supplied product, same question?
Edit: I found the answer: JASO FC, API TC w00t!!!
as per Manufacturers Website Link Awesome!!!

Heck., if I go "Preferred Customer" ($10 one time 6month trial non-renewable or $20 renewable fee) I can get a 20-25% discount., which brings the Gallon Jug down to $31CDN!!! WOW. Unfortunately., I'll have to add ~$20 for shipping the four jugs as they're not local to me....but that's still a HECK of a lot better than $60/65.

I've found $55 semi & $60 Synth for a local BRP product.., so $44 is better for me. Will look into it. I'm assuming these two are the APi TC whatever it is Rating? Not the TCW-3?

 

[100guard]

Anybody have any thoughts about this one? I didn't see a rating on it., but it explicitly says made for 'Seadoo'??

LOL...although I don't even remember if it said 2 cycle on the back. Doh.

 

[Stevego]

Go on AMSOIL website and search for distributor near you. I contacted the local guy near me this morning and he delivered the oil to me at work 3 hours later. $43 per gallon.

As for the Shell I think the 2T stands for 2 cycle. Search for info on it, there is a chart somewhere on this site stating which oils are acceptable. The price is right if it is okay to use.

 

[100guard]

Go on AMSOIL website and search for distributor near you. ....

Yeah, I did that. The closest distribution warehouse is more than a 20min drive lol., let's put it that way. They're calling me back with a shipping quote tomorrow.

 

[RFoster130]

Next time you see that shell oil take a pic of the back. A lot of the snowmobile oils are api tc rated.

 

[RFoster130]

I checked for you, it will work.

http://www-static.shell.com/static/can-en/downloads/shell_for_businesses/oils_lubricants/1-14.pdf

 

[Sink]

OK... I know I've asked this but still am conflicted.... I was at Sam's club tonight and on the back of the Quicksilver outboard 2 stroke premium oil, it says it meets or exceeds API TC standards. I just don't get it... I'm told don't use this. Do people have problems on 95speedsters with this oil???

 

[100guard]

I checked for you, it will work.

http://www-static.shell.com/static/can-en/downloads/shell_for_businesses/oils_lubricants/1-14.pdf

Hey! You beat me to it.

I was just about to link the same pdf lol.

I'm as usual., disappointed in the store webmaster data-entry monkeys. Check CanadianTires' link. They say it is TCW3 /facepalm. Though it's a weird link I googled. I can't get to that page from the CT website., Plus the image is an OLDER image of the jug? Maybe it's an archived page? Anyway., I'll take what the manufacturers' pdf spec sheet says over a retail stores web-page anyday.

Good to know what's up.

Here's a little query. ocod says 'if it's blue it's wrong'., but the spec sheet says it's blue. So...is that just mis-information? Do we n00bs need to worry about colour or ANYTHING OTHER THAN if the bottle says it is APi-TC rated? Is that all we need to pay attntion to?

Curious: Any truth to the comment I just read online that paraphrased " I was talking to a seadoo mechanic who said that brp is just shell advance synthetic without the colour"?? Should've linked it but I was high-speed browsing lol.

 

[100guard]

OK... I know I've asked this but still am conflicted...... on the back of the Quicksilver outboard 2 stroke premium oil, it says it meets or exceeds API TC standards....

Look at this link. It's quicksilver., but TCW3 Version. Perhaps they've changed? If yours says api-tc, then you're good. That's my guess.

 

[RFoster130]

All the quicksilver premium i find says tcw3, UNLESS it is the Quicksilver that says PWC on the bottle. That sehll will work fine. There are a few other companies that sell snowmobile oil that works fine too. For some reason it is a lot cheaper. A few of the other recreational product maunfacturers have their own oil, like i think there is a kawasaki oil that is api tc rated and its like 20 bucks a gallon.

 

[Sink]

On the back of the quicksilver premium, not the plus, it says API TC.

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/ac...ose-premium-outboard-oil?itemIdentifier=82034

Read the part under use: May also be used in snowmobiles, motorcycles, chain saws and other 2-cycle air or water cooled applications where an API-TC type oil is recommended.

Again, I'm not arguing.. just confused by this oil thing. I will not use something that will hurt the engine, just cant figure out why it is so expensive and what makes the difference in our engines. I don't have the RAVE valve so I get that makes a difference.

 

[100guard]

^ I read your link. Boy is that ever annoying.

They say two things:

May also be used in snowmobiles, motorcycles, chain saws and other 2-cycle air or water cooled applications where an API-TC type oil is recommended

But at the top (heck., in the TITLE it's called TCW3 lol)., it says:

Exceeds TC-W3 standards.

Why can't they be clear about what it's able to do?

I think for that reason I'm boycotting Quickie. If they can't be clear about their ratings, then I'll deal with someone who CAN.

 

[Dr Honda]

Anybody have any thoughts about this one? I didn't see a rating on it., but it explicitly says made for 'Seadoo'??

LOL...although I don't even remember if it said 2 cycle on the back. Doh.

Yep... that's a API-TC oil You should be fine with it.

FYI... most snow mobile oils are OK since they don't run well on the TC-w3 stuff either. (it can't protect in the cold)

 

[Dr Honda]

On the back of the quicksilver premium, not the plus, it says API TC.

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/ac...ose-premium-outboard-oil?itemIdentifier=82034

Read the part under use: May also be used in snowmobiles, motorcycles, chain saws and other 2-cycle air or water cooled applications where an API-TC type oil is recommended.

NO... without a doubt... DO NOT USE QS PREMIUM OIL IN A SEADOO. It is an Ashless, TC-w3 oil.

They can "recommend" it in whatever they want... but the fact is... you will kill a seadoo engine on it.

Again, I'm not arguing.. just confused by this oil thing. I will not use something that will hurt the engine, just cant figure out why it is so expensive and what makes the difference in our engines. I don't have the RAVE valve so I get that makes a difference.

It's been said a thousand times... but here's the low down:

TC-w oils were designed for larger, low HP, low RPM engines. Also... it is more environmentally friendly because they removed all the metal based additives. (and the phosphor's)


API-TC oils have better protection for high RPM/High HP applications. (but they pollute the water)


I know I may seem overly wako on this subject... but using the proper oil can make a big difference it it's life span.


Final word on this... It is impossible to have a double rating. If you see TC-w... it CAN NOT also be API-TC since one oil is "Ashless" and one is "low ash"

 

[Sink]

Thanks, Doc! I understand overly whacko... and I don't want to cook an engine... just can't understand how they can recommend that it's ok for use as API-TC if it's not? Wouldn't they have a legal responsibility if they state that??? I wont use it, just saying....

The engines in my boat appear to have been redone not long ago so I want to protect them for a long life!

 

[Dr Honda]

just can't understand how they can recommend that it's ok for use as API-TC if it's not? Wouldn't they have a legal responsibility if they state that???

You would have to prove that their oil caused the damage. So the time and $$$ involved would out weigh getting a new engine. (or rebuild) ALSO... there are very few thing (2-stroke) that need an API oil anymore. AND... it's not an instant death. Assuming your engine is healthy... it would probably run just fine for 2 or 3 seasons on it. (maybe longer) but... I can tell you from personal experience... the right oil will let the engine live almost forever.

I have a 96 XP with the factory engine... and I just sold a 1990 Si (21 years old) and it was still running strong. Both of those engine used only seadoo XPS oil. (mineral oil in the Si, and synth in the XP)


There was a member here named SurfBeat... and he started down this same path, saying "It was fine to use TC-w3"... and... "I use it all the time"... but a year later... he smoked his engine. Then he became and advocate for the proper oil. (He bought some Kawi's, and dissapered)