Plastic nozzle in Crank

[kicker]

I took my manifold, carbs, and rave valves off my 97 GSX to do some work on them. So I thought it would be a good time to spray a little extra lube in the openings. While doing so the little red plastic nozzle that sticks into the spray bomb shot out right into the bottom end. It was hard to get a good picture, You can faintly see it in the pic. Picture is taken from the RV port.

There was no way to reach it on the backside of the bottom end, I did try but while turning the engine by hand to get it in a better spot it fell in the rest of the way.

What do I do? Will it burn up without doing any damage or does it got to come out some how? If so, what would be the easiest, most economical route to get in there to retrieve it?

 

[anthonygrato]

Can you take the plugs out and turn it the opposite way?to get it back up so you can see it again.
Then I would use theses.

 

[kicker]

Its not on top of the piston it is below the piston in the crank area. It was stuck on the piston rod but fell further down.

 

[racerxxx]

Try some grease on a screw driver tip and see if you can paste it to the screw driver. Or get a plastic magnet--just kidding on the magnet.

Oh yeah , I use two hands on that crap, one to press the button and the other ALWAYS holding the tube.

 

[kicker]

Thats a great idea, I should have done that when I could see it, but I cant see it any more, it must of fell right down to the bottom.

 

[Strizzo]

There are little claw grabbers in the help section at the auto parts store

 

[smc0922]

No matter what it has to come out- just to be clear. Don't turn the engine any more. I'd also try a gentle burst of air from an air compressor to see if it will move back into view.

 

[Britrick]

Fill the crank case with petrol/2 stroke oil , the plastic will float to the top ( if your damn lucky maybe) and you can hopefully get to it with long tweezers , then remove spark plugs and crank out the petrol . Job done.

 

[LouDoo]

Fill the crank case with petrol/2 stroke oil , the plastic will float to the top ( if your damn lucky maybe) and you can hopefully get to it with long tweezers , then remove spark plugs and crank out the petrol . Job done.

That's genius, I'll have to remember that trick.

If you find you can't get the straw out, since it's non-metallic it's probably not going to do any damage.

Lou

 

[anthonygrato]

Just go to the doctors office and borrow a pair of hymose like I did back when I polluted my lungs.
Lol

 

[kicker]

No matter what it has to come out- just to be clear. Don't turn the engine any more. I'd also try a gentle burst of air from an air compressor to see if it will move back into view.

Tried to get at it again for a couple hours today...........no luck. As I see it, my only option would be to pull the jugs or RV out.

Im leaning towards the theory that plastic is not stronger then metal, and definitely cant sustain the heat that an engine puts out.

Unless someone can tell me what damage it will cause I think I will leave it in and let it burn out the exhaust in the spring.

 

[LouDoo]

I tend to agree with what you're saying, as I intimated in an earlier post. However I wouldn't want to advise you to leave it because I've never had this happen and I wouldn't want to give you bad advice. I'm gonna PM Tony to see what he thinks.

BTW did you try filling the crankcase with premix and see if the straw floats to the surface?

Lou

 

[kicker]

Thanks for the honesty Lou, I did not fill the crank with gas/oil. By the time I read it I was frustrated and all cleaned up. I do think its a good idea, but chances of it working I think are slim, to many obstetrical with very little space to get tools in to work plus the only way to see in deep enough through a mirror.

I looked like a surgeon this afternoon with all the gismos and gadgets. If keeping it in is gonna cost me a motor, that will be my next kick at it.

 

[griz400]

blow air around, till u can see it again, then use a pickup tool http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/claw-pickup-tool-p-13867.aspx?gclid=CM_44LaTjLQCFQiqnQod4BoAPA most auto parts stores sell em,


also, i have a real small long tip on my shop vac, and shop vac is rather strong with a small tip, you can always sorta make a small tip (duct tape and pcv) lol, but it would pick it up

 

[smc0922]

I doubt the plastic will float on gas... Water yes but not gas.

I firmly believe it will cost you a motor if you leave it in. Pull the RV cover and get it out. It really can't go far. If you were closer I'd get my bore scope to you- that would find it.

 

[chucked]

Gerbil retrieval tool

 

[Dr Honda]

First.....


What Griz said. Used compressed air, and a regular blow nozzle. It will probably pop up where you can grab it.


Second...

Not all plastics float. That's how they separate Polypropylene from polyethylene in the recycling centers. (one floats, and the other doesn't) Also... fuel/oil is lighter that water... so neither are going to float in it. It has very low buoyancy/density. (do we need a refresher coarse in Archimedes' principle?)


Lastly....


It's soft plastic, and it's unlikely to cause damage. BUT... if it wedges between the piston, and Cyl wall... and melts there... it can crack the rings, or wear the piston on the side. Personally... I wouldn't take the chance since the manifold is off.

 

[CReynoldsMIZ]

Gerbil retrieval tool

WHAT??? hahaha

 

[smc0922]

Lol I'm assuming use a gerbil to find it and bring it out?

 

[chucked]

No, gerbil retrieval tool
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00004SQ36

 

[CReynoldsMIZ]

ahh, ive seen one of those. Is that small enough to get in there ya think? My only concern would be it getting stuck and breaking a claw off in there. Then having to take the whole engine apart

 

[gazza2010au]

pull the cylinders and do it the right way the cost of new cylinder base and head gaskets are a cheap alternative to a blown engine if u leave it in also compressed air in a crankcase of a good running engine? :svengo: blow any built up carbon into the bearings and kiss that engine good bye imo u never use compressed air on or around bearings

 

[68ragtop]

I have an idea for you that I think will work if you can viusally locate the straw in the block. Like mentioned above, a borescope would be a nice aid here, & there are are some inexpensive ones out there.

That being said, I would locate a 12" or so long, semi flexible, but somewhat ridgid piece of plastic tubing. something like 1/4" diameter. (Any hardware store should have something). Then take a 30" or so peice of light gauge welding wire, make a loop at the half way point, & feed both cut ends together into one end of your 12" tube. Slide the wire into the tube until you have a 1" loop sticking out of the end of it. Open that loop up a little & now you have a nice snare. If you can get that snare over one end of the spray straw, your going to get that bugger out. Draw up the wires & pull it out. If you pull too hard on the wires, the straw is only going to kink & get pulled into the 1/4" tube. Either way you win.

you could temporarily secure the snare to the borescope , then you would see the snare in the monitor & you just have to find the straw


I am thinking something like those small low pressure hydralic/air line, or maybe plastic ice maker water line? a piece of soft copper tubing might be worth trying too....

 

[racerxxx]

That's Hella-tight 68! That's logged into the old memory bank.

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[kicker]

Another good idea 68, Ill give it a try tonight. Thanks for all the input guys, one way or another its gonna come out, it's become personal now. I might even get one of those borescope things, seems like a fun tow to have. Nice conversation piece around the tool box/beer box.

I'll post how it works out.