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robstar

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I did remove my jet pump to change all bearings cause they were so bad it even rotate.

Now bearings and wear ring is changed but I got some problem when I was going to install the pump.

I can't get the rear drive shaft in right place, it won't rotate when I start engine.
How do I get the rear drive shaft in the right place? Some guide for this?

Thanks for helping me out guys!
 
Will the pump spin free when it's out of the boat? It's possible to pinch the thrust washer when putting the pump back together, and it will be locked up.

If it will spin, but is only locked up after you install it in the boat... the your drive is out of alignment.

Last thing. When you took the pumps out.. was there some washers or shims between the pump and the boat? If there was, they need to be back in the same spot.
 
Will the pump spin free when it's out of the boat? It's possible to pinch the thrust washer when putting the pump back together, and it will be locked up.

If it will spin, but is only locked up after you install it in the boat... the your drive is out of alignment.

Last thing. When you took the pumps out.. was there some washers or shims between the pump and the boat? If there was, they need to be back in the same spot.

Yep it spins free when its out and when its in the boat.. my only problem is the the shaft is not spinning when I try to rotate engine.. its like rear shaft and front shaft aren't attached with each other. sorry if it sounds wierd but my english still sucks :S
 
OK. It's not bound (stuck). It spins free of the engine? So... if the engine turns over, the pump does not. (is that right?)
 
Are you sure that the drive shaft is seated into the center of the impeller. Go underneath the ski and look up through the intake grate, see if the drive shaft is inserted into the boot of the impeller.

Lou
 
ye the impeller and rear shaft is spinning.. but its like the middle its not attacted to each other.. its right engine turns over but the shaft you can see in the back is not spinning..
 
We probably should have asked this earlier, what boat or pwc is this, year and model?

Lou
 
ye the impeller and rear shaft is spinning.. but its like the middle its not attacted to each other.. its right engine turns over but the shaft you can see in the back is not spinning..

I'm very confused? How would the impeller spin if the middle of the drive shaft does not spin?
 
I'm very confused? How would the impeller spin if the middle of the drive shaft does not spin?

Im sorry to confuse you.. I mean if I rotate impeller with something back it will rotate and the rear shaft will.. but not front shaft or engine.. and if I start engine it spins but not the stuff in the back.

Its a Sea doo XP 1997
 
It sounds like the splines in the drive shaft are stripped. I'm not sure how it could have happened, but I think you're going to have to pull the pump to check it out.

Lou
 
thats strange, worked fine before I taking the pump out.

How do I know how far in the rear shaft should be?

Is the install like, just push the shaft in and then done? What is the c-clip doing?
 
There's a c-clip one the carbon seal assembly, I doubt that would have anything to do with this. Did you rebuild the drive shaft when you changed the wear ring?

The drive shaft doesn't fasten in, it just floats.

We may need more help on this, Doc are you out there?

Lou
 
Now that we know its a 97XP we might be getting somewhere. The 97XP SeaDoo used a transition box from the engine to the drive shaft, now I'm thinking our problem might be in this area. Unfortunately I'm no expert on this and have never worked on one. If memory serves me I'm thinking that part no. 23 has been known to cause problems. We may need to wait on more help on this.

http://fiche.seadoowarehouse.com/se...B=18&modelid=1997 Sea Doo PWC XP DRIVE SYSTEM

You might want to PM either Dr Honda or minnetonka4me, the know much more about this system than me.

Lou
 
Even if the rubber damper is crushed, things would still spin. I'm thinking that the splines are ripped out of #24.
 
found the problem, was not so hard to find.. im just new to pwc's.

The front drive shaft had just felt down from pto, kinda stupid but now I know how this things works :)

NEW QUESTION!

What do the c-clip do? the boat worked fine but after like 5 min the c-clip did fall off and the driveline didn't work as it suppose to do.. the c-clip most be damaged or something, can I replace it with something? like this? 55-1854_2634.jpg

SECOND QUESTION:
Its coming some water from carbon seal, didn't before.. why now? I really need to order a new one? It takes a while to get it from USA to Sweden :(
 
The c-clip holds the ring seal carrier against the carbon seal. Without it there is no pressure holding the two together and of course, they drift apart. These parts seal the water out of the hull where the drive shaft passes through. The previous owner of mine lost it, so I have 2 o-rings. One is a bit fatter than the other and it seems to work. One sits in the groove on the shaft and the other goes behind that one and in front of the carrier ring. Look at this link:

http://fiche.seadoowarehouse.com/se...B=18&modelid=1997 Sea Doo PWC XP DRIVE SYSTEM

Hope this helps.

Kevin
 
Thank you for the answer! But my driveshaft was starting to slip.. how can this happen? Can I've missed something when I was mounting my shafts and pump togather? started when I jumped a little wave...
 
Have been reading for some hours and now I maybe can guess whats wrong when the impeller slips.

Carbon seal is already leaking water in my hull, any then c-clip felt off and then it started to slip?
Can it be right?

Seems like I need to do an order AGAIN from USA :(
 
What do you mean "starting to slip?" Can you feel it's speed drop but the engine is still revved up? Do you hear a slight grinding noise?

Wait, let's go back to your original problem. The pump locked up, right?
Did this happen while running? If yes, your pto is very likely stripped. The pto is the hub looking thing on the rear of the engine. It is made of softer material than the drive shaft. I sucked some seaweed in mine (I think) and it destroyed the wear ring. After this, mine would slip out and free spin. Both of the rubber spacers were gone, too.. When I pulled the pto, it only had splines at the rear edge. The rest was gone. So I replace both and bought new bumper spacers.

This thing is a bear to remove, so first, pull the pump again. Remove the seat and the air baffles. remove the grey cover over the pto. Pull the drive shaft. Get a small camera of use the one in your cell, if you have one. Take a few pics looking into the hole on the pto. Try different angles so you can see the splines well. Look at the drive shaft splines while you have it out. Clean it up well and see if you can see wear marks on it real close to the top (outermost contact point) of each spline. From this you can decide if it needs to come off.
If it does, get that impeller tool out and the longest breaker bar you can find. If it's too stripped you may need a chain wrench. If you're sure it is shot, a pipe wrench will work.
Follow this thread:

http://www.seadooforum.com/showthread.php?53078-SBT-engine-swap&highlight=flywheel

Some pics for reference, my drive shaft and PTO:










Hope this helped

Kevin
 
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Ah, I looked at that and focused on the other shaft. Sorry about that robstar. I'd go with what the Doc says.

Kevin
 
Thanks for all answers, I'll check splines in the #24 spot.

BUT Just to make it clear, it started to feels like it was spinning when the c-clip felt off and the water coming from carbon seal was kinda much. I've read somewere here on forum it can feels like it slips when u got air or water leak??
 
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