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HELP! Sea doo making lots of screeching metal noise/white smoke
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DSchmidt54
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Man, you are lucky , usually when a carbon ring blows , the ski sinks quick , at least when mine did lol. yeah replace everything including the bellows. also , if you want a good shape grate i have the oem one off of my 96 gtx im willing to part with (i believe they are the same). just be happy your engine is still good!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
Im still super puzzled by the pictures here...so with the plugs out the engine turns freely (by hand)?
If so...it looks like the PTO was never greased and it got so hot it started taking out the other components...? Hard to tell.
Regardless...none of these parts you need new. Carbone rings dont typically wear down/out unless its run out of the water alot. I have plenty of good used ones. When they wear at an angle or get a chip those get tossed in the garbage.
So it looks like you need a PTO, a driveshaft, a carbone ring and retainer/seal, PTO seal, and some driveshaft bumpers.
If so...it looks like the PTO was never greased and it got so hot it started taking out the other components...? Hard to tell.
Regardless...none of these parts you need new. Carbone rings dont typically wear down/out unless its run out of the water alot. I have plenty of good used ones. When they wear at an angle or get a chip those get tossed in the garbage.
So it looks like you need a PTO, a driveshaft, a carbone ring and retainer/seal, PTO seal, and some driveshaft bumpers.
What is the pto?
Here are some closer pictures:
It looks like the rubber gromets and the metal piece are still good from up close. the 3 clamps that screw came off good, but the other one then the one in this picture is in rugged shape.
The teeth right at the end here are deep and not stripped, but as it goes down they flatten out.
And as for the drive shaft, if I push it in ALL the way, it spins with some grinding noise, but if its in just this far, i cant spin the motor what so ever.
I'm not sure if its stripped or not because on the other end, its worn at the bottom like this one, and as it goes to the end gets deeper like this end.
Here are some closer pictures:
It looks like the rubber gromets and the metal piece are still good from up close. the 3 clamps that screw came off good, but the other one then the one in this picture is in rugged shape.
The teeth right at the end here are deep and not stripped, but as it goes down they flatten out.
And as for the drive shaft, if I push it in ALL the way, it spins with some grinding noise, but if its in just this far, i cant spin the motor what so ever.
I'm not sure if its stripped or not because on the other end, its worn at the bottom like this one, and as it goes to the end gets deeper like this end.
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brock1
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so answer these questions in order please....1) with the shaft NOT pushed in the motor the actual engine turns over fine??? 2) If you remove the PTO (driveshaft) from the pump does the impellar spin freelyand easily ......something is not adding up and you say that when you push the shaft in it makes it worse so im thinking BENT SHAFT
1) With the shaft not in, the motor turns over and works.
2) Yes the impeller spins freely as well, though I didnt put the nose back on properly I need to fix that up correctly.
Im saying if the drive shaft is pushed right to the back, I can spin it by hand, but if I pull it out like 2 mm (how the second picture is) I cant spin it because the teeth are in the flywheel
2) Yes the impeller spins freely as well, though I didnt put the nose back on properly I need to fix that up correctly.
Im saying if the drive shaft is pushed right to the back, I can spin it by hand, but if I pull it out like 2 mm (how the second picture is) I cant spin it because the teeth are in the flywheel
Strizzo
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check to see if one of your motor mounts came loose, if it did, it could have caused the shaft and engine to be out of alignment and chewed up the driveshaft. try to shake the motor by hand, it should have a slight give, but not feel loose. it seems like maybe the PTO wasn't greased, wore out the splines on the shaft, and then once it finally stripped the vibration took out the carbon seal maybe? did you say that the jet pump spins, but makes a crunchy sound? if so, that is bad, you probably need a rebuild on the pump at the least if not all new stuff (bearings, seal, shaft, oil) when you pulled the driveshaft out of the PTO, was there any grease on it? in the PTO boot? if there was the proper amount of grease in it, when it came apart as it appears it did, there would be grease everywhere
Ummmmmmmm, did you start the ski yet without the drive shaft yet?
Pull the driveshaft out of the PTO and start the engine. All the talk about the carbon ring is good stuff and definitely a problem if not the problem, but I haven't read anywhere yet where you have actually started this thing yet with all this disconnected. I'd reassure myself before I spent a dime, call me crazy. The carbon ring is more than likely the only problem, fire this thing up to be 100% sure. And your driveshaft looks wasted where it goes into the PTO.
Pull the driveshaft out of the PTO and start the engine. All the talk about the carbon ring is good stuff and definitely a problem if not the problem, but I haven't read anywhere yet where you have actually started this thing yet with all this disconnected. I'd reassure myself before I spent a dime, call me crazy. The carbon ring is more than likely the only problem, fire this thing up to be 100% sure. And your driveshaft looks wasted where it goes into the PTO.
Strizzo
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so, if the carbon ring is the only thing wrong, how is the driveshaft wasted???
You can see the PTO, which is the thing the driveshaft slides into, is discolored from getting really hot.
The small clamps are no big deal, I replace those with zipties...they just hold the grease seal.
sending PM on parts...
The small clamps are no big deal, I replace those with zipties...they just hold the grease seal.
sending PM on parts...
Take a look at his pic in his post, click on it, then click on it again to blow it up, the middle of the splines of the driveshaft should be oval shaped. You can see where there is a wear line and the splines are fatter than any where else
Strizzo
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Take a look at his pic in his post, click on it, then click on it again to blow it up, the middle of the splines of the driveshaft should be oval shaped. You can see where there is a wear line and the splines are fatter than any where else
exactly. now, i have two questions.
1) how did the carbon seal do that to the driveshaft splines?
2) how is that not something else wrong? i.e. the carbon ring is NOT the only problem, i'd bet it was taken out by the result of the problem (stuff came apart).
You need to listen to Nick, he knows more about this than the rest of us combined, and yes it appears to me that you need a new drive shaft, and since I can't if there's damage to the pto, it's possible you could need a pto also. You are very lucky, this damage is very minimal to what could have happened.
Lou
Lou
1. The carbon seal didn't do it to the splines
2. The lack of maintenance--no one greasing the PTO to keep the splines lubed and to keep the stainless ring against the carbon ring may have. But with my experience working in a machine shop and working on manufacturing equipment and quite a few Sea-Doos, I can tell those splines are hammered on that driveshaft.
I'm not trying to insult anyone here by any means, but to own something as mechanical as a PWC requires some mechanical aptitude and basic maintenance skills/knowledge. There is a maintenance schedule in the owners manual---how many people do you think get that with a used PWC, let alone know how to maintain a PWC. How many people do a prelaunch check? If you want your stuff to last you have to know at least something on how it works other than the gas goes here, the oil goes here, and the key goes here.
I mean, if this was a used ski, no one but the previous owner knows what was done to it, or wasn't done to it. The engine could have been out and misaligned, could have a broken motor mount(like you mentioned), could have a missing bolt in a motor mount. The list could be a mile long on what took the thing out, were all trying to help out and diagnose a broken PWC from behind a computer.
Also not sure why I keep being asked "how is that not something else wrong?" It is already. Did I not say something about the driveshaft? As did you. Not trying to piss you off but really, without being there and physically seeing everything were all pretty much shooting in the dark.
bell99man
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Looking at his wear ring I would speculate, he ate something small (wad of seaweed, flipflop, piece of cooler), binded up the impeller and and then he gunned it when it wouldn't go not aware of this. The torque ate the driveshaft bumper and pushed the shaft forward in the splines leaving only a little contact. The 100+, hp turning the dragging impeller ate the rest of the spline tops off of both pieces.
Kevin
Kevin
Here's what I think you need, anyone else feel free to jump in and add/subtract. Sounds like Minnetonka may have all you need at least for the majority of the parts.
http://www.shspowersports.com/fiche...y=Watercraft&make=Sea-Doo&year=2000&fveh=2345
I'd say items:
1,3,4,5,9,10,12,14
http://www.shspowersports.com/fiche...y=Watercraft&make=Sea-Doo&year=2000&fveh=2345
Item # 22 PTO
http://www.shspowersports.com/fiche...y=Watercraft&make=Sea-Doo&year=2000&fveh=2345
Item # 8 Wear Ring
http://www.shspowersports.com/eshopprod_cat_7637-2244_product_1184545.XPS_Jet_Pump_Oil.htm
Jet Pump Oil
http://www.shspowersports.com/fiche...y=Watercraft&make=Sea-Doo&year=2000&fveh=2345
I'd say items:
1,3,4,5,9,10,12,14
http://www.shspowersports.com/fiche...y=Watercraft&make=Sea-Doo&year=2000&fveh=2345
Item # 22 PTO
http://www.shspowersports.com/fiche...y=Watercraft&make=Sea-Doo&year=2000&fveh=2345
Item # 8 Wear Ring
http://www.shspowersports.com/eshopprod_cat_7637-2244_product_1184545.XPS_Jet_Pump_Oil.htm
Jet Pump Oil
Thanks to everyone for the help....
Ordering from Minnetonka, hopefully here soon and will post back with the finished product... Only a couple more weekends till I can't use it any more so hopefully soon!
Either way, I am much appreciated to those who helped, and yes, this was a second hand ski, and I have never owned anything like this at all so I'm brand new..
So if there is special maintenance that needs to be done please let me know as I'm not looking for any more surprises...
Ordering from Minnetonka, hopefully here soon and will post back with the finished product... Only a couple more weekends till I can't use it any more so hopefully soon!
Either way, I am much appreciated to those who helped, and yes, this was a second hand ski, and I have never owned anything like this at all so I'm brand new..
So if there is special maintenance that needs to be done please let me know as I'm not looking for any more surprises...
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