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Tell me about the 97 XP

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CReynoldsMIZ

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So I found a 97 xp online. Super clean, ran great for the guy all year, but he has a family and just bought an rxt. Sounds like in great condition with a like new trailer for $1200 (asking price). I have a 96 GSX now, which truthfully has been nothing but trouble ever since I got it. I'm thinking of just starting fresh and this def sounds like a good deal, but idk anything about them. I know all about the 96s, but not the new 97 hull. I do almost all mainly 1 rider, but is this a crappy hull, bad engine (does it have a 787 or 951?) or just any knowledge you guys got about it would be great. It sounds like it was really babied throughout its life and don't want to pass up a good ski, but if I got it, it would mean me parting with my GSX.
 
I would say the GSX is prob just a touch better than the 97 XP.

Both have the 787, but the 97 XP has far more one year one model parts on it.

Most people say the 787 just wasnt enough for that hull...seadoo just didnt have the 951 ready that year for it. LOL either that or they wanted alot of trade ins the next year.

Its a dang good deal on a babied 800 machine though.
 
Yeah. I'm really just looking for something that is gunna be reliable. I swear I'm fixing mine more than riding it, and it would be nice starting out with a ski that runs right when I bought it. I think if I can get it for 1k ill pick it up and trade mine off...
 
The 97XP is a good ski, it's very similar mechanically to your 96GSX, 787 engine, same pump. It's got kinda of an unusual drive, similar to a universal joint used to lengthen the drive shaft. This is just personal preference but I like the X4 hull better ie a 96XP or 97-99SPX.

Lou
 
Wowsers that's a clean machine! If it passes the compression check and you get it for a grand.......well I feel like you almost have to. If you hate it you could sell it in two-three months for $1700!
 
i'ved owned two 97's... liked them both but didn't love them, had a 2001 with the 951 and liked it more but only because it hit close to 60.

as stated above a bit under powered for the engine, so the hole shot won't be impressive, but i'm pretty confident that your holeshot on the gsx isn't crazy good either, but this will not be an improvement over the gsx, and if it is, it will be hardly noticable. (just going from personal experience, no charts or anyting)

since you own the gsx, its probably best to compare those two models instead of throwing the x4 into the mix.

pro's vs your gsx, it will carve slightly better, its just a hair longer and a hair more narrow, (i'm going from memory so verify my info with the spec's if you care) .

I believe its capable of higher speed than your gsx, but might not be faster as a stock, but you can make it faster, especially if you start with the right prop, i've never run the concord but thats what i'm told is the best. It should carve better (see below) so if you lean into the turns, you'll love it for high rpm carving. IMO its a much better looking ski... and imo its a better ski if you decide to do even minimal mods.

cons vs your gsx, the storage bin is wide/flat, (ie: sux) vs large and deep with the GSX not sure if you sit higher but it feels like you do, so you'll find it to be a little more tippy, even though it appears to be bottom heavy, its really not, so, it will definitely feel tippy, i've never fallen off a gsx w/o serious goofing around, but I've fallen off the 97 right at the dock because I leaned out too far...and i've been tossed on a hard turn more than once. Even tho it is heavier than the gsx, its not as stable. Both will handle chop well, but IMO the XP will handle chop just a tad better, and you'll be able to make steering adjustments and really dig into turns in rough water well, but you better dig, because if you don't lean in, you'll feel yourself coming off the side. ps.. if your a bigger guy, you'll look like a monkey riding a football on this :)

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hard turns, hard stops, I think this is worth stating, in my limited experience with gsx hulls, they are what i'd call "surprisingly nimble" I was quite satisfied, but with the xp I found that I could really do a harsh digging 180, power out of the turn and then slap it the other way for another quick 180, once you learn to ride it. and there will be a learning curve, (for performance, standing up with lots of leaning and throttle), but once you get the hang of it you'll appreciate its advance from "surprisingly nimble".. to "really digs".

With that said, some people prefer a ski that doesn't dig as hard or require as much effort to ride, you can definitely do maneuvers with the gsx, and they'll only be about 90% of what you can do on the xp, but you won't have to work as hard doing it, you'll rarely get tossed.

The GSX overall, the gsx hull IMO is second only to the x4, and in some respects is better, its a very very nice design.

I think they both hold the same sized tank or roughly so...
EDIT: I questioned this so I checked, the GSX 15 XP 11... thats a big difference. (the 98+ models have the 14 gallon tank)

would I swap a gsx for an xp... hmmm, tough call. but i'd personally say no if all things were equal. I prefer the relative stability of the gsx, i think its pretty dam fast by itself, i like the larger storage bin, and I like the fact that there are less "one off" parts on the ski so if you have mpem problems or hull issues, you'll pay about 30% more at minimum, (although honestly, there are a lot of 97xp's out there... i see them all the friggen time)

however, this might be a better deal if you would consider it to be more reliable than a troublesome gsx. and this is a very good price. I have seen the exact ski always sell for for more, you could definitely could sell your gsx (assuming its clean & running) for a more than your paying especially if your a little patient when selling.

note: beware that your swapping your problems for somebody elses problems, check the new ski carefully and do NOT be afraid to lowball, show up to look at it when its cold and rainy, the next cold front and lowball the crap out of him... its hard to sell a ski in the winter anywhere but florida or hawaii.

if anything is missing, like the front storage bin, beware those hull parts are expensive, just keep it in mind.

ps, i just dug this pic out for the hydroturf thread, you can do some cool stuff with hydroturf... and you can make it nicer with a new seat, (warning, the seat is a major PITA to remove/recover) (really ! you will make create use of the English language during that project)

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same ski, but with the blacktip seat installed.

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Yeah...my problem is that it is a really good price on a nice ski, and no matter what people will buy a nice ski in winter, especially if they are like us. Secondy a guy is "supposedly" driving 3 hrs to see it Wednesday and will prolly be gone if I don't get it. Unfortunately for me, I bought my GSX and has never given me anything but trouble, but now I def know what to look for on skis. The GSX was my first buy ever...and it's crazy but it's supposed to be 71 and sunny here in Kansas City tomorrow, I'm sure he will have a line of ppl looking at it if it is my luck lol. I am just pretty much looking for a ski which has been babied and will be reliable at this point
 
hell i have a buddy with 2 of them, hed sell you for 1000 each and trailer for free!... he hates those skis, they are super expensive to repair, since they have rare parts... but thats coming from someone that has tons of money and Seadoo knowledge out the wazoo... spim hit it on the head with that review...
 
Yeah...my problem is that it is a really good price on a nice ski, and no matter what people will buy a nice ski in winter, especially if they are like us. Secondy a guy is "supposedly" driving 3 hrs to see it Wednesday and will prolly be gone if I don't get it. Unfortunately for me, I bought my GSX and has never given me anything but trouble, but now I def know what to look for on skis. The GSX was my first buy ever...and it's crazy but it's supposed to be 71 and sunny here in Kansas City tomorrow, I'm sure he will have a line of ppl looking at it if it is my luck lol. I am just pretty much looking for a ski which has been babied and will be reliable at this point

the one off part is always a consideration but honestly, not that much of the one off stuff is an issue, but just be prepared that if the mpem,driveline go bad you'll pay out the azz), for those that have seasons, a reliable ski can get you through two years of hassle free riding, vs a bunch of bs... but if this puppy breaks down with one off things, you'll get hammered especially if your in a hurry.

but honestly, a ski that really has been babied, and is 100% spot on, and for sale at below market value, is pretty rare so either he is being slightly deceptive or it will be sold asap. so if its worth looking at, and it is.., go now... and at best be prepared for it to be 90%.
spot on but if the electronics, drive, gauges, pump all check out, its worth acting upon. (check for rotten cables too, they sit low)
 
I think a "babied" ski is a fallacy. I like to think that I take care of my ski's as well or maybe better than the next guy. But when I play I play hard, these things are high performance and meant to be ridden hard. I believe that's why most of us have these, if we want to just get out on the water and fart around we would just get a paddle boat.

So I guess what I'm saying if you buy a 15+ year old ski expect to do some work on it!

Lou
 
I think a "babied" ski is a fallacy. I like to think that I take care of my ski's as well or maybe better than the next guy. But when I play I play hard, these things are high performance and meant to be ridden hard. I believe that's why most of us have these, if we want to just get out on the water and fart around we would just get a paddle boat.

So I guess what I'm saying if you buy a 15+ year old ski expect to do some work on it!

Lou


I totally agree!! The guy wants to sell it so of course he wants you to think it is the best ski ever.
 
Oh believe me, I know that there is always gunna need to be work to maintain these, but I have probably had my GSX out 15 times in the time I owned it or so, and about 90% of the time I probably have had to leave early bc of problems. I'm just ready to cut bait, get something better. Oh believe me, hopefully this is just a bridge ski *if I get it* to a decently priced 96 xp. I do want to be in the cool kid x4 club, but I never see any decent deals come up around here
 
Deals are out there on on x4's you just might have to drive a bit. I drove 4 hours to the north side of Atlanta to buy mine. Got it from a member over on the other forum. Big Yamaha guy so he had no love for the x4 thus the low price :)
I like you have been tempted to pick up a 97 XP infact I almost bought one before my x4, but I kept hearing about these one year parts and such with it being a bastard year. Hate to hear your having issues with your GSX i've been wanting to replace my 96 SPX with a 787 GSX or GTX.
 
if you ultimately want the x4, this is a decent bridge, but i'd also suggest just hitting searchtempest a couple of times a week, but again, always assume a used ski has issues to some degree. But i'd still rather have a 1 off ski that runs perfect than a ski with lots of issues but reasonable parts.
 
Yeah, unfortunately I think I am just tired of my ski and ready for something different. But yes, don't think I am going into this and thinking no work will need to be done. I will go over it with fine tooth comb and do maintainence and check everything. Ie change counterbalance, clean raves, oil filter, grey lines (if it has them), pump oil, yada yada yada. I do really actually enjoy working on them but a change of scenery could be nice
 
LOL well you know that now that you have done everything on your GSX it wont be such a PITA this year right?? LOL the next owner will get 5 trouble free years...its murphys law.
 
LOL well you know that now that you have done everything on your GSX it wont be such a PITA this year right?? LOL the next owner will get 5 trouble free years...its murphys law.

Haha I doubt it... About the only thing that hasn't gone bad was the mpem. That will probably be a fun adventure sometime down the road for the next owner lol Edit: dangit, I always do this. I go to look at something with a preconcieved notion of buying. Must stop doing this lol
 
i didn't think the MPEM was special on the 97s, but the driveline stuff isn't that bad, i rebuilt the whole thing just about for around 375-400 bucks, new carbon ring, support bearing, housing and seals, rebuilt the pump and replaced the wear ring and impeller. 200 of that was impeller.

if i had it to do over again, i would have bought a GSX, but they're not very easy to find around here, and people want a grand even for broken ones. i would stick with your GSX if you've gotten the bugs out of it. theres only so much that can go wrong before things would have to break twice, right?
 
LOL well the 97 XP is a special MPEM...only 2 plug 787 black panel. The 96 GSX MPEM at least is the same as the 96 GTX. The 97 GSX MPEM is also one off, as is the GSI.

You can put a X-4 ebox in but you have to hack the big connectors off and put a bunch of new connectors on.
 
Maybe I've just been lucky but aside from a couple of minor issues, voltage regulator and rebuilding the carbs. my 96GSX has been a great ski. In fact if I could only have one ski the 96GSX would be my choice.

Lou
 
Not to rub salt in, but my 96 GSX has been spot on. Worked out a few bugs earlier......been trouble free ever since. 240 hrs on it now. Had 3 skis at the cottage all summer and the blue GSX was always the first one that someone would hop on.
 
I'm with the above on my '97GSX. Other than typical maintenance items no real issues. What kind of issues are you having with yours? Maybe they are just part of catching up with maintenance that hasn't been perform by the PO.
 
Well guys, I got it. And with the deal I got may be able to keep both. I picked it up with a 2006 yacht club trailer for 700. We talked and haggled for about an hour and a half, and although I got it cheap, it doesn't come without a few problems and a risk. I on my way he called me and said he went out to start it up, hasn't been ran since October, and he said the starter would just spin. So that means I didn't get a chance to compression test it, therefore I didn't budge from 700. Luckily I have a starter I can probably rob some parts off of, it needs the raves serviced and gray fuel lines changed out and carbs cleaned. We will see how it goes I guess... Oh the head has some funky jb weld on it so ill probably see what's up with that also. Luckily got plenty of time til riding season starts!
 
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