Stand up help

[SabrToothSqrl]

I can spout year, make, model for dozens of seadooo. I can assemble a 951 and install it blindfolded.

So... What kind of stand up should I buy to play with this summer?

I know next to nothing about them. Other than they look fun and I'm 10 years late to the party.

I don't want to spend a ton.

Any suggestions?

 

[nammer]

if you want to be 30 years late to the party, u can get an 80's kawasaki, i don't really know much bout them either, but the only makers i've come across are kawasaki and yamaha superjet,

if you search CL for js and sx those are common older kawasaki models, but might have to search like sx650, sx550, or sx440 to yield better results

 

[SabrToothSqrl]

Anything I should look for? Bigger tanks? Engines? Brands?

 

[CReynoldsMIZ]

Yeah dude, if your looking for something fast and that is easily modible, definitely get a superjet. They come faster than about all the Kawi's stock, and i think they have a bigger pump. I would go for a Yami Superjet Roundnose or a Kawi 650sx. Unless you were wanting to get something newer, but for an older one those would be good. We have a 85 JS550, it is super reliable and all stock, hell the carb has never even been cleaned or removed for that matter, and it runs perfect.

Question. Have you ridden a standup before? Also, yamaha parts are freakin rediculously cheap, basically because there are so many of them still around and basically all of the engines and electrical swap around from ski to ski for the most part. Like basically any ski with a 650, 701, or a 760 can be swapped around from ski to ski. We had our 701 crap out on our Pro VXR, replaced it with a 650. It is kind of a dud of an engine, but a guy sells good used ones around us for like 150-200.

 

[Dr Honda]

The absolute best bang for the buck, is a square nose Superjet. You can find clean, un-molested versions for $600 to $1000. They handle better than the Kawi hulls. AND... because they worked so well.... when Yamaha wanted to update the superjet... they only changed the top deck. (to a round nose)


Both the 650, and the 701 Yamaha engines are bullet proof. (the later square nose will have a 61x version of the 701)

That's my story... and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Getemkustom]

Picked these 3 Kawasaki's this weekend. Old school but still cool!

 

[tshaw]

Im 10 years late also I rode a buddies mid 90s kawi sxi maybe 750. It had a lot of power honestly more then id need on a stand up. Im about 190 and my balance isnt the greatest so it was nice for it to be able to get onto plane so fast. I bought a 650sx loved it but put a hole in the front. Ended up with a modded js550 i picked up for $300 I love it also. When I was buying I read I was probally to big gor a 300 even a 440. I agree with doc from what ive seen and read superjet is way to go. Every once in a while a nice one will pop up but they want $1500-$2000. Ill stick with my 85 that i paid $300 for all ive added is tether because I dont trust it to do circles when I fall off

 

[nammer]

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/bar/3567327100.html

 

[harryb]

http://elmira.craigslist.org/boa/3615293215.html http://syracuse.craigslist.org/rvs/3640193800.html

 

[CReynoldsMIZ]

Getum, those are all 300's, right? Doc was pretty much right on. Kawis aren't bad at all, but the super jets are really the best and prime for racing. We have 3 kawis, but I'd love a superjet

 

[Spimothy Leary]

from the inner circle's,, there is no substitute for a Superjet.

however, for a starter, playing around ski, I think you'd be just fine spending less (probably a lot less) and picking up a decent Kawi.... 550 maybe... to get the opportunity to mess around and see if you like the idea of a standup. If you purchase it right, you are pretty unlikely to take a beating if you decide to move on and head back to sit downs.

 

[Minnetonka4me]

yup from everything my pole riding friends have told me...the SN SJ is the one to have. If you can find a cherry under a $1000 it would be a steal in my area...they have jumped to almost $2g around here.

 

[Dr Honda]

Yep to all of the above. Absolutely nothing wrong with the Kawi's. The SX hulls were very good, and the engines are reliable because MOST people won't hold them wide open for more than a few seconds at a time. (unlike a sit-down) JUST STAY AWAY FROM THE 300xs. It doesn't have enough power to pull a normal sized adult past 15 mph.

Over the years I've had a few JS440's, a JS550, a 550sx, and a 650sx. BUT... NONE of them could compare to a 650 SN SJ for reliability, handling, and overall "Fun".

With that said... I've never owned a newer Kawi... but I did have a 2003 round nose SJ for a couple years. (it had the 62t 701 engine) But it got sold becasue of my bad back. But... eventually, I missed not having a stand-up in the garage... so... FOR $600... this is what I got

Just keep your eyes open, and you will find the deals. There is no reason to pay more than $1000 for an early 90's superjet. BUT... you can find running JS550's for even less.

 

[mikidymac]

I have ridden all the stand ups from Yamaha and Kawasaki and owned most of them too at some point. For a beginner to the stand ups you will want to make sure you like it before you dump a ton of cash on one. They are so much work compared to a sit down and you will be exhausted after about half an hour your first time out.

1. JS300, JS440 and JS550 they are cheap but you will hate it as your first stand up. They are verry narrow and unstable as well as underpowered for the most part. When you need the power to pull you through a turn as a neewbe it will not be there. They just are not stable enough to learn on. Price is usually less than $1,000 for a good one.

2. JS650 1987-1990 use a small carb and side exhaust. Much more stable than a JS300-550 and still very cheap. The 650 is very reliable. Price is usually less than $1,000 for a good one.

3. JS650 1991-1992 same hull as older one but bigger and better carb and rear exhaust. Best bang for the buck. A clean one is usually close to $1,000

4. JS750 SX More stable and larger than the JS650 but low on power and has a hard time getting out if it's own way. Usually about $1,000 for a clean one.

5. JS750 SXI same as SX but twin carb and much better power out of the hole. Good ski if it can be found cheap. Usually $1,200 for a clean one.

6. JS750 SXI Pro. Best hull of the Kawasaki 750's with the same twin carb 750 as the SXI. Besk Kawasaki until the SX-R800 came out. Usually about $1,400 for a clean one but much harder to find.

7. SuperJet 650 Square Nose 1990-1993 Good hull but a little underpowered. Still expensive in California. $1,500+.

8. SuperJet 701 Square Nose 1994-1995 Larger 701 engine, single carb and square nose deck. Very stable ski and good power. The best Yamaha for the buck. Still $1,500+

9. SuperJet 701 Round Nose 1996-+ Same 701 but with twin carbs and new upper deck with round nose. This is the superjet that everybody wants. Very stable and good power especially on the bottom but runs out on top stock. Expect $2,000+ for just average ones.

The Kawasaki's main difference from the Yamaha's is how they turn and the power. The Kawasaki's like to turn leaned over on the inside with your butt dragging in the water. The yamaha's like to be kept flat and turn on your feet. In seadooo terms the Kawasaki's are like an HX that like to lean over and the Yamaha are like a X4 or GSX that like to be more flat in a turn. The other difference is the power. The Kawasaki has more top end and less bottom end and will usually be a little faster and the Yamaha's have more bottom and less top, more grunt out of the hole.

It all depends on your riding style. I have always been faster on the Kawasaki's as that is what I learned on and got used to the lean in turning.

 

[SabrToothSqrl]

Nice. I was hoping to get something running $400-600. Looks like there is still a lot to pick from

 

[mikidymac]

Get a 1991-1992 JS650SX. Reliable and cheap fun. I had one for years.

 

[Getemkustom]

Getum, those are all 300's, right?

Nope - The 2 skis inside the truck are 440's - the Impact ski on the tailgate is a 300.
The 300 is a parts ski and is most likely sold by the weekend. The 2 other 440's run strong - not sure what I am going to do with them.

 

[Spimothy Leary]

I have ridden all the stand ups from Yamaha and Kawasaki and owned most of them too at some point. For a beginner to the stand ups you will want to make sure you like it before you dump a ton of cash on one. They are so much work compared to a sit down and you will be exhausted after about half an hour your first time out.

1. JS300, JS440 and JS550 they are cheap but you will hate it as your first stand up. They are verry narrow and unstable as well as underpowered for the most part. When you need the power to pull you through a turn as a neewbe it will not be there. They just are not stable enough to learn on. Price is usually less than $1,000 for a good one.

2. JS650 1987-1990 use a small carb and side exhaust. Much more stable than a JS300-550 and still very cheap. The 650 is very reliable. Price is usually less than $1,000 for a good one.

3. JS650 1991-1992 same hull as older one but bigger and better carb and rear exhaust. Best bang for the buck. A clean one is usually close to $1,000

4. JS750 SX More stable and larger than the JS650 but low on power and has a hard time getting out if it's own way. Usually about $1,000 for a clean one.

5. JS750 SXI same as SX but twin carb and much better power out of the hole. Good ski if it can be found cheap. Usually $1,200 for a clean one.

6. JS750 SXI Pro. Best hull of the Kawasaki 750's with the same twin carb 750 as the SXI. Besk Kawasaki until the SX-R800 came out. Usually about $1,400 for a clean one but much harder to find.

7. SuperJet 650 Square Nose 1990-1993 Good hull but a little underpowered. Still expensive in California. $1,500+.

8. SuperJet 701 Square Nose 1994-1995 Larger 701 engine, single carb and square nose deck. Very stable ski and good power. The best Yamaha for the buck. Still $1,500+

9. SuperJet 701 Round Nose 1996-+ Same 701 but with twin carbs and new upper deck with round nose. This is the superjet that everybody wants. Very stable and good power especially on the bottom but runs out on top stock. Expect $2,000+ for just average ones.

The Kawasaki's main difference from the Yamaha's is how they turn and the power. The Kawasaki's like to turn leaned over on the inside with your butt dragging in the water. The yamaha's like to be kept flat and turn on your feet. In seadooo terms the Kawasaki's are like an HX that like to lean over and the Yamaha are like a X4 or GSX that like to be more flat in a turn. The other difference is the power. The Kawasaki has more top end and less bottom end and will usually be a little faster and the Yamaha's have more bottom and less top, more grunt out of the hole.

It all depends on your riding style. I have always been faster on the Kawasaki's as that is what I learned on and got used to the lean in turning.

this, sir, Is an excellent write up.... thanks for sharing !