"shop called offering an opton to fix engine. I need some advice, please"

[Water Horse IV]

I was told my original carburetor problem is fixed and every seal within the Sea Doo has been replaced with no leak. The engine locked up on their last test drive. the shop is willing to cover all cost incurred and add a "OIL BLOCK" that will fix the problem with bottom end on engine (their words). From this point on I would have to pre mix my gas before adding the gas to my Sea Doo. I'n not thrilled because my engine had very low hours. However, I've been told this is a common fix and Sea Doo should run like new when all work is done. Is this procedure common? is this a bad thing since this model has it's own separate oil and gas compartment which aliviated the need to pre-mix

Thanks to whomever can offer any advice?

 

[pwgsx]

Bottom end? Did your crank blow? Odd if the oil injection failed the top end is still ok with no oil.

Pre-mixing not a bad thing but can be annoying. If the oil injection lines are new and you put in a new oil pump they last a long while. I never had issues with them. Also not sure on that engine you have but on some you have to loop the oil line to supply the lower end of the motor with oil. On the other hand premix you never have to worry about your oil getting to your motor but must carry oil with you if your out for a long weekend. Buy a ratio rite cup and the adding oil part is a no brainer. I would stick with the injection.

 

[Coastiejoe]

If they are going to fix it and return it and cost you nothing, then I would do it for two main reasons.

1). To be done with it. Get it fixed and returned to you. Ensure there is some kind of coverage that you are satisfied with.

2). So that you can actually enjoy it before there is ice on the water.

Others have done the oil block thing and I have not hear if issues. I will ping [MENTION=16022]Dr Honda[/MENTION] on this as he will have much better info in regards to the oil block.

I'm thinking it can be uninstalled fairly easy and return to the traditional method with no issues. But again, I do not know enough to safely answer that question.

 

[gforney]

Excatly what caused the lock up and what did they fix?

I have a 2000 gti the cable between the oil pump and the carb broke and the engine was ruined rather quickly. When i put in the reman engine i removed the oil pump installed a block off plate and have premixed the fuel and oil. It has been seven years, more than likely 200 plus hours and all is well. Just keep in mind that you need to maintain oil in the tank because it lubes the rotory shaft too.

One way to look at it if the engine craps out in the future it will not be from lack of oil.

 

[Coastiejoe]

Excatly what caused the lock up and what did they fix?

I have a 2000 gti the cable between the oil pump and the carb broke and the engine was ruined rather quickly. When i put in the reman engine i removed the oil pump installed a block off plate and have premixed the fuel and oil. It has been seven years, more than likely 200 plus hours and all is well. Just keep in mind that you need to maintain oil in the tank because it lubes the rotory shaft too.

One way to look at it if the engine craps out in the future it will not be from lack of oil.

She is new at this. To be clear, when you say to maintain oil in the tank you mean the OIL TANK.

I am just reiterating this as she has had a pretty horrible on-going issue thus far. I'd hate to see her have an issue due to lack of not understanding.

 

[Spimothy Leary]

at this point i'd just turn them loose and let them fix it.... if its locked up and they're trying to fix it i'm surprised they'd offer that, but I wouldn't discourage them for sure !

 

[ocod]

OMG!
:facepalm:


At least they are standing behind their work on fixing it.
But w/what? Are they going to rebuild it or but a new crate motor on exchange program with SBT?

Also, pre mixing is no big deal but you will spend more on oil but will NEVER have to service the oil injection. Also, you'll keep those Kentucky bugs off you with the smoking at idle.
Pro vs Con.....

All my skis and boat are pre mix!


I would insure as to reason it seized as to insure it not happening again if they pin point oil injection failure?

I feel as others do here bad for you but I promise your story has silver lining b/c shop is not sand bagging you with the costs...........

 

[donkey]

I think "maintain oil in the tank" means,,,make sure there is oil in the tank.(?)

 

[Water Horse IV]

He did (shop owner) mention lower crank bearing. I don't know engine talk but I did write down what he said. And, then he said he would take care of all cost adding the Oil Block that would require pre mixing my gasoline from this point out. Thank you for mentioning the ratio rite cup. I am a quick learn on just about anything. This is a new subject for me. And, with all the trouble I've had I feel like I am taking a very accellerated course.

I am very happy the shop feels responsible wanting to make things right at no additional cost. We have had no success with additional problems other than what I brought it in for. I am kind of at their Mercy at this point not wanting to walk away after $1002.00 indebted to them.

 

[Water Horse IV]

Thanks Coastie Joe. Your help is so appreciated. This is exactly the way I am leaning. I have ($1002) invested at this point and a shop that wantes to make things right. The shop owner actually asked me if I wanted his personal Sea Doo until mine is fixed. It's tempting but I declined. Okay that's good that perhaps/maybe I could eventually undo the oil block if I wanted too. I don't mind premixing and the suggestion of the ratio cup is appreciated. Oh boy am I learning alot from you guys at the forum. And, I don't plan on selling this Sea Doo if I can ever get it on the water and operating.

THANK YOU!!

 

[Water Horse IV]

Thank you gforney... I'm starting to hear some of the same talk that's mirroring the shop/owner's talk. So, maybe things are rounding the corner where this shop is concerned. It's been an ordeal. And, for the sake of the guys that have been helping me I'll spare the entire story. Bottom line they have had my Sea Doo back to back for 2 months with one initial problem turning into 3 problems whereas my new engine was locked up. I blew my top and gave this owner the worse while eloquent cussing that has ever left my lips. Both parties (he and I) regrouped today. And, I believe they are sharing some blame in this wanting to make things right. Oh, and I did apologize all over myself insisting this was not my normal sweet nature. Thanks for the input. HE MENTIONED THE OPTION OF THE BLOCK PLATE OR THE OIL BLOCK. I TOLD HIM I WANT THE BEST FIX PLANNING ON KEEKPING THIS SEA DOO. HE SAID THE OIL BLOCK WOULD BE A SAFER GUARANTEE WHILE THE BLOCK PLATE COULD LAST AS LONG? THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR RESPONSE.

 

[Water Horse IV]

Coastie Joe I'm actually laughing because I think I'm starting to get this! And, yes I talked about maintaining the synthetic oil in the regular OIL TANK as well/ I made sure I convered this with the shop owner. And, while in the shop or on the brief launches I always made sure synthetic 2 cycle oil and premium gas were in the tank.

THANKS AGAIN.

 

[Water Horse IV]

I'm usually sweet and don't always cuss. I bought these (4) guys Blizzards after my 1st visit. On the 3rd and 4th visit they were picking my Sea Doo up and delivering it back to me. Now, had I bought them Blizzards after the last drop off they probably would have been afraid to eat them. It's been an ordeal for them as well. So, yes I am so relieved he/the owner called today saying he is going to get my Sea Doo fixed at their expense. Thanks Spimothy Leary.

 

[dustindu4]

You shouldn't need to be running premium gas, 87 octane is fine

 

[Water Horse IV]

Kentucky Bugs... I will have a come back for that. I'll wait until my Sea doo is fixed/lol.

Okay seriously, I feel so much better and it's starting to sound like these guys have either talked to someone (wondering if someone called these guys??) and/or we've had some terrible luck at both ends while things are starting to shape up. I wil take everyone's advice and get some type of guarantee regarding what's covered and exactly what they are saying caused all of this. Thanks Ocod.

 

[Water Horse IV]

Okay noted for future reference. Thank you dustindu4.

 

[Water Horse IV]

Donkey.. these fellas have been enduring this pain on my behalf for a long time. I can assure you no offense was intended. And, I appreciate all of you. No worries I know where the Oil tank and dip stick are located on my GMC Sierrra. I appreciated the clarification. One may think the regular oil tank/cap is obsolete with the new pre-mix method. It's all good. Thank you Donkey!

 

[Upallnight]

You will still need to add oil to the oil tank so that the RV shaft get lubrication or else you going to ruin the gear. Since they are going to add the block off plate and you are going to do premix, have them add a shut off valve in the oil line from the tank to the lower crankcase. This way when the jet ski is stored for the winter you don't have to siphon the oil out of the tank or worry about oil weeping out from the seals and messing up the bottom of the hull.

 

[Spimothy Leary]

1) I'm fine with premixing, its EASY, i've done it for 5 years on every ski I own.
2) ratio rite cup sux !!!! no lid !!!
3) because the RRcup sux, go to a West marine, and get their premix container. No cup ! $5.

take's all the guesswork out, seals with a lid, no stinky oil smell in your trunk, no sticky residue from the cup...

I used the ratio rite cup once, and threw it away immediately...

 

[Upallnight]

I just put in 6 gallons of gas and 20 ounces of oil when ever I go out when I see that the gas level is about half full or if you are a pessimist half empty.

 

[Coastiejoe]

You will still need to add oil to the oil tank so that the RV shaft get lubrication or else you going to ruin the gear. Since they are going to add the block off plate and you are going to do premix, have them add a shut off valve in the oil line from the tank to the lower crankcase. This way when the jet ski is stored for the winter you don't have to siphon the oil out of the tank or worry about oil weeping out from the seals and messing up the bottom of the hull.

The shut off is something you do want . Or, a pair of "pinch pliers" will don the same thing.

It is not uncommon during storage for the oil in the tank to seep pass the crank seal. This fills the bottom of the engine of oil and. Creates issues when you want to get the ski out of storage for the summer riding.

You do NOT want to forget to open I remove the pliers as you will destroy things

I STRONGLY recommend you hand your start key in the valve. That way you will remember to make sure the oil line is open whenever you want to start the ski.

If it were me, I'd donut religiously. Turn it off every day and hand the key on it. This way is will simply become second nature. Just part of the normal day to day routine.

 

[Water Horse IV]

My acrylic nails are already feeling the pain. I will get this container right away. thanks Spimothy Leary.

 

[Water Horse IV]

Believe it or not I've already paid a deposit and reserved a spot in a temperature controlled storage facility. After all this headache I did not want to risk having any winterization issues should I get Sea Doo fixed before boating season is over. Okay with this in mind do I still need to ask for the shut off valve in the oil line from tank to lower crankcase?I know to remove the Battery and keep on trickle battery that I've already used.

I'm writing down all pointers. Thanks Upallnight.

 

[Water Horse IV]

Okay great advice. I'm taking notes. And, I know what pinch pliers are? I'm starting to scare myself. THANKS!!
I have already ordered and recieved an extra set of keys (I forgot what they are called right now) for Sea Doo. And, yes I will make it routine to put the keys under seat at shut off valve/ good suggestion.

On a funny note, I have used my jump box on two occassions (golf cart, friends rinker) that had nothing to do with my Sea Doo. I love that little thing.

 

[Coastiejoe]

Believe it or not I've already paid a deposit and reserved a spot in a temperature controlled storage facility. After all this headache I did not want to risk having any winterization issues should I get Sea Doo fixed before boating season is over. Okay with this in mind do I still need to ask for the shut off valve in the oil line from tank to lower crankcase?I know to remove the Battery and keep on trickle battery that I've already used.

I'm writing down all pointers. Thanks Upallnight.

Yes, the oil shut off has nothing to do with winter other than it is sitting for a while not being used. If it sat for a while in the summer you would have the exact same concern. Either way, pinch pliers or the physical shut off.