seadoo xps synthetic blend oil for supercharged 4-tec

[seadoo_mike]

Qurious if the synthetic BLEND oil that the dealer gave me is okay to do an oil change with, Im not sure what oil is in the motor now, I just bought this preowned 2006 150 sportster 215 scic, the dealer gave me a kit, with the blend oil, spark plugs, filter and gaskets, the dealer said it was good to use, just wanted to make sure he knew what he was talking about, as long as I vacuum the oil out that is in there now, and change it with the blend should I be okay.

 

[Craigmri]

Mike,

From what I've learned here on this forum from some very knowledgable people, unless your certain you have the "NEW" supercharger washers I wouldnt run even a synthetic blend. Stick with Regular stuff to be safe if your not sure.

Craig

 

[jvbrown7]

Hey Mike, what oil did you end up going with? I just bought a 2006 Sportster supercharged with tower and I am too do not know which oil to use.

John

 

[seadoo_mike]

jvbrown7, I thought to just throw the question out on the forum to see if anyone has used this synthetic blend, on the bottle of oil it say's that it is formulated for supercharged 4 stroke 4-tec engines and the oil is right from BRP, I didn't get a chance to change it yet, have to stain the deck this weekend. From reading the forum they say you can go to synthetic from mineral but not from synthetic to mineral, I am going to call another dealer tomorrow and ask that question, this being a blend I don't think that it would be a problem, but I'll ask and let you know what they say. Mike

 

[kustomkarl]

If you use any synthetic oil, or blend in a supercharged engine you will have problems with the washers in the supercharger. Seadoo recommends you use the mineral oil in a supercharged engine to be safe.

Karl

 

[seadoo_mike]

Karl, not sure what you mean by "washers" do you mean o-rings or parts in the cluth, also not sure why on the bottle it say's made for supercharged 4-tec engines

 

[kustomkarl]

The ceramic washer in the super charger can't handle the rpm's with synthetic oil. The new replacements are made of steel and last longer. Do Not use synthetic oil in the superchargers. There are a ton of post in the forum on this subject. If I get a chance I'll re post some for you to read.

Karl

 

[kustomkarl]

Mike check out these posts on oil and superchargers.

This will answer a lot of your questions.

http://www.seadooforum.com/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=supercharger

http://www.seadooforum.com/showthread.php?t=14348&highlight=supercharger

Karl

 

[seadoo_mike]

karl, I have been doing some reading tonight and I found a bulletin saying "The recommendation of SEA-DOO to avoid use of synthetic lubricants in supercharged clutch drive mechanisms on 2004-2007 215 hp SEA-DOO 4-TEC™ series engines used in SEA-DOO personal watercraft (PWC) and sport boats." Is the newer 2007 and up models now have steel washers and that's why the synthetic blend would be ok, I dont remember telling the dealer what year my boat was, so he just handed me the kit thinking that my boat maybe an 07 or later, or maybe he didn't know the small parts in the supercharger where different materials in other years models, thats why I joined the forum to hear it from the real people "thanks Karl" also might you know if there is 2 engine edition's for my 06 sportster

 

[kustomkarl]

Mike, there are 2 different engines in the 4-tec rotax engines that seadoo uses. The Natural Aspirated, and the Super Charged model. If your looking for specific information, chances are we will have the answers you need to know. We also have a full manual area in our library, if you feel you would like a seadoo service manual. This way you can do your own service and save a ton of money instead of going to a seadoo dealer. We also have a sister company that supplies our members seadoo parts at a reduced price. Click on the "Parts" link at the top of the page or in my Avatar to see a detailed parts diagram for view or ordering parts. You'll find the seadoo forum is a friendly place with lots of active members eager to help out. :cheers:

Karl

 

[jvbrown7]

Hey Mike, Like you I have no idea what kind of oil is in my boat. I am taking it to a repair shop today to get the supercharger removed then sent off to have it rebuilt then start over with mineral oil just to make sure. I guess better safe than sorry. A rebuilt supercharger is way cheaper than a rebuilt motor.

John

 

[seadoo_mike]

Karl, when I was just searching around the internet looking at part breakdowns on the 4-tec motor to get fimiliar with the different parts in there, I noticed that there were two different editions, 1 and 2. The #2 edition had a longer oil filler neck than the #1 edition of diagrams, my sportster had the shorter oil filler neck that would be the #1 edition, all the other parts of the motor and electrical looked the same as I was jumping back and forth between diagrams, dont know if you have any ideas, also thanks for the info. on the oil, I read up on the links you gave me and I am going with the mineral and taking back the synthetic blend, thanks carl and I was also going to join the premium membership to get those manuals.

 

[seadoo_mike]

jvbrown7, sounds like a good idea, I was going to say stick with mineral, just to be sure, I didnt even talk to a dealer, I am taking the advice of the forum, good luck

 

[seadoo_mike]

karl, if you are not experiencing any issues with the supercharger, how often or not should it be removed and rebuilt, what would be noticeable issues with a supercharger gone bad

 

[kustomkarl]

The engine will be come sluggish and the the biggest thing you'll notice is the rpm's will not exceed 6500 rpms. You should get at least 100 hrs. of use before it should need rebuilding. I have never seen a #2 edition engine. All the ones I have see is the #1.

Karl

 

[seadoo_mike]

Karl, when it does come time to rebuild the supercharger which washers should I go with, I here talk of stainless, titanium

 

[sporsterjoel]

Karl, when it does come time to rebuild the supercharger which washers should I go with, I here talk of stainless, titanium

Go with riva washer there the best ones, the new seadoo titanium washers have been failing, Rivas are provin washer that dont fail. If your the2nd owner id rebuild the whole thing just to be on the safe side. These supercharger are the weak point of the motor and if the shaft bearing gear or washers fail it can take out the oil pump and wreck the motor. I alway say when you buy a Sc seadoo 1st thing you do is rebuilde th SC,2nd check the SC slip every 25hr's (slip procedure can be found in the manual), 3rd rebuild it every 100hr (also found in the manual) also if you ever notice you not getting full rpm at WOT (should be 8100rmp) example only getting 6500-7000 rpm that could mean that the SC is sliping or has failed and you should stop using it till you can check it out.

 

[sporsterjoel]

The engine will be come sluggish and the the biggest thing you'll notice is the rpm's will not exceed 6500 rpms. You should get at least 100 hrs. of use before it should need rebuilding. I have never seen a #2 edition engine. All the ones I have see is the #1.

Karl

Karl buy #1 and #2 i think he mean 2004-2005 motors are diffrent from 2006+
in 2006 they made alot of changes to the motors one being the oiling system. If he has a 2006 then he should have a long plastic oil fill tub connected to the oil pump with 2 small e-torx bolts. ill try and find some pics to post.

 

[kustomkarl]

In my manual for my "2008"200 speedster it explains the Oil tube looks different bettwen the #1 and the #2 engine. My manual cover several boat models, direct from seadoo.

 

[seadoo_mike]

sportsterjoel, thanks for the info. of the SC, my 06 sportster has the short oil fill neck bolted right to the top of the oil pump housing (edition #1 is parts list) just qurious if they listed 2 editions of motor that year, maybe I have the older version of oil pump than what they use now

 

[seadoo_mike]

Karl, What is the advantage going to riva washers over the ceramic, is it just the overall breakdown percentage, do you go with synthetic oil when you have the riva washers, is synthetic better for the motor overall. If you replace with ceramic and use the right mineral oil what is the difference. When its time to rebuild the charger do you get the whole kit or do you just inspect and replace the washers. Does the kit come with everything you need (shaft, bearings) trying to get an idea of what I need to do the job, I looked at manual from forum on charger and it looks like there might be a couple of special tools needed to do the job. When I looked at the parts list the charger kit was around $300, does that seem right.. Do you know what the around about total price would be to do the job with parts and needed tools and does the kit come with the right washers or do you have to pick them up also (ex: riva's) price of the riva's I saw where around $100, does that seem right.. Before the charger is pulled do you have to extract the engine oil. On the manuals page I did not see a supercharger section in the 2006 sportster manual, so I went on the 2007 4-tec manual and found the charger instructions, is that ok to use, are all the chargers pretty much interchangeable. I know this was alot of babbling but I'm just trying to get a hand on what I need to do. Thanks