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Irishmeat

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First of all I would like to say that I find this site to be very helpful and informative and great members always willing to help in any way they can. My issue is not with the site, but I wanted to post my experience with SBT's engines because frankly I based my purchase decision off the feedback of SBT on this site. While there were negative posts with regard to their engines the comments that followed seemed to shed enough doubt on the original post that I was able to get over my concerns.

Unfortunately for me, my fears were realized with what was clearly a faulty product and now a complete lack of support for the quality of their product. My story is well documented on every post I have made to this site, with a wealth of support and ideas to fix my issue of backfiring through the carbs. The old engine had something kick through the RV and tear up the case and RV, so it should have been a swap and plop. The only visible symptom was that you could see gas pushing back out of the RV and back into the carb when cranking. As I look back now, it should have tipped me off that I have a seal issue in the case. As I slowly made my way through all of the causes over the summer, it never came to mind that an newly remanufactured engine would be the culprit. This list include:

- rebuilt carbs with Mikuni kit and new n/s
- cleaned fuel system & selector
- replaced rectifier
- replaced amplifier
- remachined RV case
- bought a new rotary valve
- checked ignition timing with timing light
- check rv timing 5 times
- checked stator 3 times (Yep I pulled the engine each time)


Last weekend, my cousin and I (and the forum) finally ran out of ideas. Seeing as SBT touts their no question asked warranty I figured it was my last resort before sending the ski to its final resting place. I received the new engine along with a report stating "unknown cause, rear main inner bearing rattles when spinning freely". Based on this report we had low expectations this weekend as we put the new engine it, but to our astonishment the ski fired up crisply and ran flawlessly during the break in. I followed the break in to the letter and now she rips just like the old days in early May.

When I reached out to SBT to ask that they extend my warranty as I spent the extra money for the premium edition, they refused to extend it the 4 lost months. Living in MN my riding is limited to May to September, so these 4 months are critical and do become an issue when you spend a summer troubleshooting a faulty engine. The excuse I was given is that since this is a no fault warranty and the owner can be completely negligent in the engine failure it is a give and take type warranty.

Even after seeing other posts on this company and even having fellow forum member tell me that this happend to him I still didn't believe a poorly manufactured engine could be the culprit. Unfortunately, I was wrong about a great many things this summer including SBT's quality of work and their lack of ability to stand behind their product. I understand that errors happen and quality can vary in one's product, however the real test of a company is their willingness to make things right and stand behind their product. I have my answer in this case, but I hope that my post helps others avoid my mistake and make an informed decision.
 
i'm not quite sure what your complaint is...
are you upset that they don't have 100% error free product's

or, you've come to terms with 99% error free

and..

your upset that you didn't get an extra 4 months on the warranty ?

(ie: you want 28 months, not 24 months?), your concerned about may-august of 2014 ?
 
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It sounds like (in short), he got a premium motor from SBT and it was backfiring through the carbs. He then replaced a ton of parts and found out it was a bad seal. SBT warrantied their motor. But he's unhappy that they wont give him an extra 4 months on his 2 year warranty.

Thats if im reading it right. But thats what it sounds like. Correct me if im wrong.
 
Yeah I get it, its sounds whiny and I'm complaining about not getting a warranty for 28 months when I paid for 24. Frankly it probably is, but my 2 year warranty is in effect for 10 months tops around here. I get where I live is in no way their problem, but I guess I figured it was an acceptable request seeing as the product was faulty. If we were talking about a car, my warranty likely would not be extended either. However, the labor costs, replacement vehicle costs etc. would be covered.

So I could just reform my argument to the fact that I spent $130 on a new RV & machined RV cover (from SBT), $100 on carb rebuid kits, $80 on shipping the old motor & at least 20 hours in labor.

This post is intended to inform others who turn to these forums for advice and recommendations on products.
 
Consider yourself lucky. I spent 2.5 YEARS troubleshooting an engine to find out it was because someone never checked the jets on the carbs, even though I asked him to 'go over the carbs' at least a dozen times.

Not that your situation doesn't suck, but I did 2 sets of carbs, 3 engines, 2 rebuilds, more parts than you can shake a dead cat at (if you were so inclined) and jet pumps, MPEMS, and more plugs than I care to remember.
 
although I see your point, and it would be a nice "gesture" since their product was the apparent cause, but on the other hand I understand why they said no, its not their fault it took 4 months to diagnose the issue. i'm assuming that if they make an exception once, then they have to make it always, and that's not acceptable to them.

your story won't impact my decision to use them for parts, I rarely if ever buy reman engines anyway, I find quality control a little better at the local shop here than any of the big reman sellers.

I remember recently dropping $600 with 4 different mechanics to diagnose an intermittent ignition skip on a mustang GT, and after all that I fixed it myself in the driveway by replacing the $90 computer, I took several afternoons off work, came in late, rented car's on 3 occasions, and bummed rides from the shop to home at least 3 times... and it never occurred to me that it was anybody's fault, life goes on.

But to lose sleep over the possibility of engine failure from may-august of 2014 is a waste of good sleep, that engine will probably run for yrs and yrs. besides, we'll all be dead on Dec 21, and if we survive that then the zombie attacks are due in 2013 :(
 
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IMO they should replace it. Its happened from day one.

I will also say that this is a parts customer of mine locally and is not some idiot trying to get one over on a company. He's a good guy.



What I dont like about SBTs program is you almost always end up paying shipping both ways on the replacement motor.

Now...looking at it as a business owner is keep a guy happy. Knowing that motor has zero hours on it why not replace it? Its not like they are getting a core back, they are getting essentially a new motor back. They can always reverse a decision when they get the motor in.

If they did...he would be on here praising SBT for standing behind their workmanship instead of having remorse and a bad taste in his mouth about the sport. The sport is too small already.

Yes ultimately it is your fault its past warranty but I think you have a case for being an exception to their terms.

If there is anything I can help with let me know...I have a bunch of runners if you want to trade up to a 96 XP or something.
 
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He's not out of warranty, and SBT did replace the motor, he is saying he wants his warranty extended 4 months because he didn't get use of the engine that was bad out of the box. I think if he'd been in touch with SBT sooner then he probably would have gotten a replacement sooner. yes it sucks, but it is not very likely that the 4 months "less" warranty on the new motor will make a difference, it'll likely last well past the 2 years.

IMO they should replace it. Its happened from day one.

I will also say that this is a parts customer of mine locally and is not some idiot trying to get one over on a company. He's a good guy.



What I dont like about SBTs program is you almost always end up paying shipping both ways on the replacement motor.

Now...looking at it as a business owner is keep a guy happy. Knowing that motor has zero hours on it why not replace it? Its not like they are getting a core back, they are getting essentially a new motor back. They can always reverse a decision when they get the motor in.

If they did...he would be on here praising SBT for standing behind their workmanship instead of having remorse and a bad taste in his mouth about the sport. The sport is too small already.

Yes ultimately it is your fault its past warranty but I think you have a case for being an exception to their terms.

If there is anything I can help with let me know...I have a bunch of runners if you want to trade up to a 96 XP or something.
 
He's not out of warranty, and SBT did replace the motor, he is saying he wants his warranty extended 4 months because he didn't get use of the engine that was bad out of the box. I think if he'd been in touch with SBT sooner then he probably would have gotten a replacement sooner. yes it sucks, but it is not very likely that the 4 months "less" warranty on the new motor will make a difference, it'll likely last well past the 2 years.

yes exactly, it was replaced, and of course they should, but the OP wants to reset the 24 month warranty at zero months, with 24 months left, vs 4 months, with 20 months left.
 
yeah, this is a situation where i can see both side's point, on the one hand, SBT replaced the faulty reman engine, and now the ski runs fine. on the other hand, the customer lost the season to a bad SBT reman.

while it would have been nice if SBT had extended the warranty due to the faulty reman, they had no obligation to do so, unless they blew him off in replacing the motor once they knew he had an issue with it, they have stuck to the letter of their warranty, he could have run it without oil and they'd still have replaced it 4 months into the warranty.
 
those of us up north usually get the short end of the stick when it comes to year warranties... I'm lucky in PA that I brave the cold and get 4-5 months of actual use. If we were in FL or AZ or TX or somewhere warm, a 2 year warranty means a lot more hours are covered...
 
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