Oil Pump and Housing Damage 2014 Wake 155

[XP 787]

When you start to see copper colored metal flakes in your oil filter that is when you should be concerned. Every oil change I see very tiny bits of metal in my filter and my ski runs great with no odd noises what so ever.

 

[gti 130 wow]

When you start to see copper colored metal flakes in your oil filter that is when you should be concerned. Every oil change I see very tiny bits of metal in my filter and my ski runs great with no odd noises what so ever.

Well my GTI 130 is 2015 / v tech tuned with 370 hrs on it so I will be looking real close at the oil filter with a magnifying glass on my next oil change .

 

[Sea Dood]

You still have not explained how na Sea Doos can go over 1000 hours without this "normal " maintenance so this guy at a 135 hours is being treated wrong and your analysis and GH just does not add up and has one wondering why someone would even push such nonsense. Also as a side note , any metal debris that gets into the oil from the defective super charger he declares as normal maintenance so his response is a derivative of that .

WTF are you trying to say? Stop beating the SC dead horse. If you took apart your beloved lowly GTI, you would see the same scoring.

The OP had lots of problems with his dealer. But the question was about metal particles and scored pumps, and every damn one of 4TEC's you take apart look like this. Get over it.

 

[ski-d00]

I just rebuilt a 2009 130 4tec with 880 hours. It had the most scarred up oil pump I've ever seen and at least 10 times worse than op's pics in his first post. Even with all the scoring, the oil pressure was excellent. It is actually a tribute to a very good design where you can run thousands of pieces of metal through an oil pump and it still works very well.

 

[gti 130 wow]

I just rebuilt a 2009 130 4tec with 880 hours. It had the most scarred up oil pump I've ever seen and at least 10 times worse than op's pics in his first post. Even with all the scoring, the oil pressure was excellent. It is actually a tribute to a very good design where you can run thousands of pieces of metal through an oil pump and it still works very well.

So 880 hrs and still pumping so that proves that the pump is not a normal maintenance item (is engineered to take what it's getting ) anymore then crankshaft bearings . It should run the life of the engine just like any 4 stroke engine anyone of has had most likely. Just more trying to dodge responsibility by declaring something normal maintenance after finding out sometimes it fails a little earlier then reasonable. Where have I herd that before????? Lastly I have a 2015 so there may be a unpublished fix so we will see what my oil filter looks like.

 

[Sea Dood]

You still have not explained how na Sea Doos can go over 1000 hours without this "normal " maintenance so this guy at a 135 hours is being treated wrong and your analysis and GH just does not add up and has one wondering why someone would even push such nonsense. Also as a side note , any metal debris that gets into the oil from the defective super charger he declares as normal maintenance so his response is a derivative of that .

So 880 hrs and still pumping so that proves that the pump is not a normal maintenance item (is engineered to take what it's getting ) anymore then crankshaft bearings . It should run the life of the engine just like any 4 stroke engine anyone of has had most likely. Just more trying to dodge responsibility by declaring something normal maintenance after finding out sometimes it fails a little earlier then reasonable. Where have I herd that before????? Lastly I have a 2015 so there may be a unpublished fix so we will see what my oil filter looks like.

Are you an idiot or just a troll? Inquiring minds would like to know, please.

 

[gti 130 wow]

Are you an idiot or just a troll? Inquiring minds would like to know, please.

You can't argue with success dude !
If I end up having to do routine maintenance on the oil pump after 1000hrs runtime , I can live it and I am sure so could the guy that started this thread!

 

[Sea Dood]

You can't argue with success dude !
If I end up having to do routine maintenance on the oil pump after 1000hrs runtime , I can live it and I am sure so could the guy that started this thread!

This is the first time in this thread that you have actually made good sense! Keep it up, LOL.

 

[IDoSeaDoo]

Where the hell are these offending particles coming from in an NA motor?? I can understand a piece of ceramic washer making its rounds, but what you guys are describing suggests a rogue chunk of steel or something just making its rounds... I know there is a magnet in the MAG chamber, and screens on the oil pumps. What could be causing this?? My oil pumps were a bit chewed, but I had a tiny sliver of ceramic washer missing on my SC when I rebuilt it. The OIL pressure is good (verified with gauge) and the thing runs fine, so I figured I'd leave it as is, but now I'm wondering if this is not a ticking time bomb.

 

[Sea Dood]

Where the hell are these offending particles coming from in an NA motor?? I can understand a piece of ceramic washer making its rounds, but what you guys are describing suggests a rogue chunk of steel or something just making its rounds... I know there is a magnet in the MAG chamber, and screens on the oil pumps. What could be causing this?? My oil pumps were a bit chewed, but I had a tiny sliver of ceramic washer missing on my SC when I rebuilt it. The OIL pressure is good (verified with gauge) and the thing runs fine, so I figured I'd leave it as is, but now I'm wondering if this is not a ticking time bomb.

Please read my previous post. Metal particles are normal, because the starter bendix assembly is in the oil cavity of the crankcase, unlike other engine designs. The starter pinion to flywheel interface naturally produces small chips of metal, which end up in the oil, then thru the oil pump which scars it up. The pressurized oil goes thru the filter, taking out the particles.

 

[IDoSeaDoo]

Ooooh, sorry didn't read all the previous posts. That makes total sense! Makes me want to attach a few powerful magnets to that primary oil pump screen. I'll consider doing this next time I'm in there. If anyone else is thinking of doing this, I'll warn you of the dangers of using those rare earth magnets with the holes in the center. They are Very brittle. I'm going to keep an eye out for a better solution.

 

[seadoon1]

Ooooh, sorry didn't read all the previous posts. That makes total sense! Makes me want to attach a few powerful magnets to that primary oil pump screen. I'll consider doing this next time I'm in there. If anyone else is thinking of doing this, I'll warn you of the dangers of using those rare earth magnets with the holes in the center. They are Very brittle. I'm going to keep an eye out for a better solution.

Only problem is teh particles are aluminum! non magnetic. They come from the scoured housings alot.

 

[seadoon1]

If you had a new 155 motor, woiuld you follow the 100 hour oil change interval? Or woud you do like a first one sooner? All the dealers I've checked with say 100 hours for first one.

 

[Coastiejoe]

If you had a new 155 motor, woiuld you follow the 100 hour oil change interval? Or woud you do like a first one sooner? All the dealers I've checked with say 100 hours for first one.

Once a season. Right before storage.

 

[ski-d00]

Only problem is teh particles are aluminum! non magnetic. They come from the scoured housings alot.

Wrong. They are steel and come from the flywheel. If they were aluminum, they would do almost no damage to the hardened steel oil pump assembly parts.

If you had a new 155 motor, woiuld you follow the 100 hour oil change interval? Or woud you do like a first one sooner? All the dealers I've checked with say 100 hours for first one.

New motors always get a 10 hour oil change. During break in stage, there are minute, microscopic pieces of metal created from the rings and bearing seating. I believe you should change the oil at least twice within the first 10 hours. Remember, the oil system on the 4tecs is a 5 quart system(actually 4.8 as I recall) and you only get about 3 quarts out during an oil change so while most the oil is changed, not all old oil is removed. It is really just diluted with new oil. Some say to crank the motor over continuously after you remove the 3 quarts to get more oil out which I think is crazy. Motors should never be cranked over at any rpm when starved for oil.

Always amazed at the amount of bad information that gets spread.