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Sideways Steve

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Hello everyone and first of all I would like to introduce myself, I am Steve and I am from Scotland, my wfe and I have recently purchased a very clean 97 SPX as a winter project as I have decided that I am now bored with tinkering with cars and bikes and we always fancied getting either a boat or a jetski.

Obviously I had my eyes open specifically for a seadoo and just a couple of weeks ago one came up locally that was exactly what I was looking for !

Overall the ski has been very well looked after which is apparent as soon as you see it. It was advertised incorrectly as a 95 XP 720 so I have since downloaded all of the correct manuals and been reading through this forum to get a grasp of what I am dealing with.

The ski has been unused for the last 5 years and was put into storage after it died on the water. apparently it was running well then it just died completely with no warning.

The engine has since been checked out and has good compression and is not siezed, I am confident that mechanically there is nothing wrong with it and that the issues surrounding its mysterious death are elcectrical. The previous owner stated they had tested various circuits and determined the fault was with the MPEM unit, however after realising he was using teh wrong workshop manual for an XP 720 and reading up myself on here and carrying out some testing of my own I am not sure the MPEM is at fault.

When I collected it the ski had no battery and alot of the wiring to and from the front electrical box housing the MPEM had been unplugged (presumably the previous owner trying to work out the fault)

I have now fitted a new battery, reconnected everything as per the wiring diagrams in the manual and replaced the main supply wires from the rear electrical box to the starter and to the battery as these were badly corroded. I also cleaned up the earth connections on the starter solenoid inside the rear electrical box as they were extremely furry !

I am now getting a good 12v supply if I connect my meter to the battery positive and ground it anywhere on the engine, so I am confident that the main earth and the main supply is now good.

I do not however get any gauges moving or beeps from the ski with or without the DESS key fitted.

My question is would this be caused by a bad MPEM or am I looking at a bad connection somewhere between the battery and the rest of the ski ?

Should I get some sort of life from her when I press the start/stop button without the DESS key fitted ?

My next port of call is to start from the battery working through every connection with the multmeter to see if I am getting power where I should be, is this the way to go or are there any common connections I should be testing first ?

I am very good with both electrical and mechanical stuff so have no issue working through this myself but I thought with the wealth of knowledge on here it woudl be worth asking a few things first since I am not familiar with jetski's.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts and would welcome any input !

Thanks
Steve
 
nice looking ski, welcome to the forum ! I'm no MPEM expert, but i'm guessing that the original diagnosis was correct, but somebody might chime in with a work around test to determine if it is for SURE the MPEM, and i'll subscribe to the thread just because i'm curious as well since I like to learn, so in the meantime, free bump.. :)

i'm assuming you've checked all the fuses ?

ps.. I love scotland !!! but gee golly gosh willikers you must have a short riding season there !!!
I've traveled there, never made it as far west as Glasgow, we flew into Edinburgh, spent a few days in Tillicoultry and spent two days touring the area's north of you, mainly Loch Long (got stuck in the mud) and Loch Lomond, saw the big hydro plant, etc... and granted you probably can't,but I would have loved to ski or boat those area's, just beautiful country, but after 9 days I was ready to get home to boring, flat, hot Florida, but If I can find you a MPEM here, can you send me a big huge box of Prawns ???? yummmy

lastly, the Scots that I was lucky enough to meet there were ALL some of the most wonderful, helpful, and friendly people on the planet. Maybe I was just lucky with who I met, but I really did leave with a nice warm fuzzy feeling about Scotland and Scots, so with that said, i'll keep an eye on the thread just because I want to make sure you figure it out.

edit: back on topic,,, (again, no MPEM expert) but I swore i remember reading here that even with a bad mpem the gauges should respond to the key, but only for 5 seconds, or maybe you leave the key off and hit the start button 5 times to go into diagnostic mode ???
 
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Thanks for your reply ! If indeed it is the mpem I would really appreciate your help in finding one as I belive over there they are much easier to get hold of !

I'm still not convinced it is the mpem though as I believe I should still get some sort of beeping or something from the ski whereas it currently acts as if there is no battery in it !

You can ski at the places you mentioned :) also our season is only short if your a big girl lol jut wear the right gear and you can ski all year round ! Hell, we even scuba dive in the middle of winter up here ! Lol
 
its not that hard to find one, i have one for a 98 spx, and two for 96 xp's, probably compatible, (depends on what gauges you have) and tonka here i'm sure has several, just not sure if he sells international.
 
It is hard over here lol any that come up for sale are in the USA ! Lol

The xp ones won't work as there for the 717 engine however the 98 spx one should work, do you have the dess key to match it ?
 
of course they have key's, and the xp's are 787's anyway... 717's were 95 and older....

anyway...

free bump...

need electrical xpert to chime in here and help OP determine if there is an alternate test for mpem.

anybody ??
 
Definitely no expert here but no beeps and no gauge action...could that be a bad DESS post? Oh, did you check the fuse on the mpem and in the rear ebox? On most of these things a hot wire goes from the starter relay through some connectors to the mpem. If the ski has corrosion where you described then this wire will, too. Sometimes the wire harness plugs corrode internally as well. This wire on mine was made up from pieces of several colors and many bad connections. THe manual had this guide on self diagnosis for the DESS and mpem:

Basic Self-Diagnostic Mode
It is self-activated when the safety lanyard is being installed on the watercraft switch. It gives immediate
monitoring. Some codes may occur only when pressing the start/stop button. Refer to the following
chart.

2 short beeps
(while installing
safety lanyard on
watercraft switch)
• Safety lanyard is
recognized by the MPEM.

1 long beep
(while installing
safety lanyard on
watercraft switch or
when pressing
start/stop button in
some cases)
• Bad connection between
safety lanyard cap and
switch.
• Unprogrammed or
defective safety lanyard
• Salt water in safety
lanyard cap.
• Improper operation of
MPEM or defective wiring
harness.

8 short beeps
• Defective MPEM (memory).

Continuous beep
• Engine overheating.

Advanced Self-Diagnostic Mode

It needs to be enabled manually. Proceed as follows:
1. Remove safety lanyard from watercraft switch.
2. Press 5 times on the watercraft start/stop button.
NOTE: 1 short beep and 1 long beep must be heard. They validate beginning of diagnostic mode.
3. Install safety lanyard on watercraft switch.
4. Press the watercraft start/stop button again.
NOTE: If everything is correct, engine will start.

If still no start there is a chart detailing any feed back from this test.
1 long and
1 short beeps
• No safety lanyard has ever been
programmed in watercraft MPEM.

2 short beeps
• MPEM can not read the digital code
of the safety lanyard cap or the
magnet is defective. or
• Mixed wires at safety lanyard switch
connectors or bad connections.

2 long beeps
• Wrong safety lanyard or bad
connection of the DESS wires.

3 short beeps
• Wiring harness of DESS switch is
grounded or there is a short circuit.
 
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its not that hard to find one, i have one for a 98 spx, and two for 96 xp's, probably compatible, (depends on what gauges you have) and tonka here i'm sure has several, just not sure if he sells international.

PPPFFFFF What? Of course I do. I think Ive sent to every continent other than Antarctica already.

On the MPEM problem Bell's post above is the first thing you need to try. If the gauges move or it beeps at you its just the post or key.

If you get nothing...the first thing to check is the fuses both in the front and back box. Oh even before that make sure the little black wire going from the ebox to the battery is connected and in good shape.

If they are good then you need to check the wiring for corrosion; mainly the connector on the rear ebox and the one connected to the front of the motor.

Then...report back.

BTW thats some awesome luck with it being listed wrong. You ended up with the best machine seadoo ever made. I actually just drove 600mi for a pair of 97SPXs today....quite a good deal although I really dont need more machines to restore right now.
 
Cheers for the replies guys !

I will be working on it on Saturday so until then I cant report anything back, however I can tell you I did check all of the fuses both in the front and rear electrical boxes and they were all perfect, not even any signs that they had blown previously and been replaced either.

I guess what I was trying to determine was as per bell99man's post, even if the MPEM is shot should I still be able to get it into diagnostic mode or get some sort of sign that there is power getting to everything it should be ?

I think from what has been said above the answer is yes I should get something ?

The little black wire on the rear ebox that goes to the battery was pretty bad, I replaced the crimp on it but I think I might re check that one before I start testing connectors.

Minnietonka, Thats good to hear that the SPX is a good ski, from what I have read I was beginning to realise how good it was and how lucky I was to get it as a wrongly advertised one as there worth considerably more money than the XP's over here !

I am actually watching another 97 SPX on UK eBay just now thats identical to mine with a siezed engine and its currently around £350 with its trailer. If it doesnt go mad near the end of the auction I may see if I can get it too ! LOL

So the plan for the weekend is as follows:

1) Check the small black wire on rear ebox for continuity.
2) Try putting the ski into diagnostic mode to see if anything happens.
3) Check all wiring connectors for corrosion.
4) Check connection at front of engine.

I will then report back with my findings !

Cheers
Steve
 
Hi Steve,
Im on the south coast , just brought a 96 XP for rebuilding , bet we have been looking at the same ads lol, ive seen the spx on ebay as well ,they do tend to shoot up in price alot at the last moment .Seems to be alot of skis that come up for sale in north/scotland, to far for me to travel though for a £300 sale so im not competition .Good luck with the rebuild.
Richard.
 
Hi Richard ! Yes we probably have, I actually found the spx on Gumtree and it was about 20 mins away so was perfect for me, the current eBay one is in Liverpool so is a bit of a drive but I think it could be worth it if the price is right, I'm currently waiting on the owner answering a couple of questions as I believe he's advertised it as the wrong year. He says its a 94 but I think it's a 97 like mine judging by the colour and graphics.

If you ever see something up here you fancy I'm happy to go view it for you and could even meet you half way with it for the price of some fuel so don't let the distance put you off :)
 
Cheers for the offer and likewise . Yes I watch gumtree tree as well , although you get some fraudsters on there , lol one person wanted to post me a Kawasaki 700 with trailer by parcel force , naturally I had to pay up front haha ! .
As for parts I just ordered some bits from minnietonka on here , front elec box included , he is way cheaper than in the uk , but don't tell him that lol , you can pay him by paypal , seems to have everything you need , and very helpful regarding the import vat , if you know what I mean , just PM him .
 
Glad you guys are having fun with these fine toys way over there. I was thinking of that "94" you mentioned could be a 95 because a 95XP looks similar to the 97SPX yet is only 717 powered.
 
Too late el toro ! I married her in September so she's taken lol :)

Matt, it's deffo an spx as it has identical graphics and colour to mine and as far as I am aware they did not do a 110bhp 94 spx or even a 95 model in yellow ? Could be wrong though ?
 
I was thinking a 95XP but both are great skis. If it says SPX and is your color then it would definitely be the 97 also. The 95XP's hull colors are the same....actually the whole hull is the same besides the mounts for the different engines and battery location. You can hit up google images to see what I mean.
 
Cheers for the offer and likewise . Yes I watch gumtree tree as well , although you get some fraudsters on there , lol one person wanted to post me a Kawasaki 700 with trailer by parcel force , naturally I had to pay up front haha ! .
As for parts I just ordered some bits from minnietonka on here , front elec box included , he is way cheaper than in the uk , but don't tell him that lol , you can pay him by paypal , seems to have everything you need , and very helpful regarding the import vat , if you know what I mean , just PM him .

LOL the price just went up!

I keed I keed....yup I have no problem shipping anywhere in the world if they are willing to pay the shipping. Small stuff is cheap but as soon as it gets bigger than a bubble mailer ($20ship)...the price shoots up fast.
 
I was thinking a 95XP but both are great skis. If it says SPX and is your color then it would definitely be the 97 also. The 95XP's hull colors are the same....actually the whole hull is the same besides the mounts for the different engines and battery location. You can hit up google images to see what I mean.

the 95 xp had the same coloring as your ski, yellow lower and white upper hull with yellow mirror hood, but was 718 powered, the 95 spx was white hull with a blue single gauge hood. the 96 spx was the same white upper hull but with a green dual mirror hood like yours and green lower hull, and still 718 powered (85 hp). the same year xp was 787 powered (110 hp) and had a yellow hull and mirror hood. your 97 spx was the same color scheme as the 95 xp but with different graphics and was 787 powered (110 hp). in 98 they went to a black lower hull with the white upper with yellow seat and hood, and for 99 (last year) they went to a black lower hull with a yellow upper with black hood and trim, and gray seat. it was also one of the few years they came with a hump seat (other year was the limited edition 95 xp800)

in the future when trying to decipher what ski is what in peoples ads, skip google image search and go straight to the source: http://www.seadoosource.com/seadoomodelreference.html

many times people will advertise skis as a year newer than they are for some reason, and few get the motors correct.
 
Well people, I can now confirm I own 2 Seadoo 97 SPX's ! :) Just won the ebay auction for the second one :) Now I have 2 to fix !! LOL

At least I can swap parts from one to the other to help fault find though :)
 
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Congrats Sideways on being a multiple X4 owner! I also like it that you have seeked out good deals on the ones within your reach. I'm always doing the same thing over here. Plenty of experienced folks here to help you get to the bottom of whatever problems those skis have.
 
Congrats Sideways on being a multiple X4 owner! I also like it that you have seeked out good deals on the ones within your reach. I'm always doing the same thing over here. Plenty of experienced folks here to help you get to the bottom of whatever problems those skis have.

Well I like a challenge ! Lol my wife is really into it all too so she keen to learn how to fix them too so having two now is kinda cool as we can work on one each :)
 
having two identical ski's is a huge plus for diagnostic's of potentially bad parts, especially your electrical gremlin. Good luck with the project and keep the questions coming !
 
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