More 4-tech , SC Rotex white washing

[gti 130 wow]

A guy on another web site that I will not name , created a post asking if finding metal shavings in your oil filter is normal .
Several guys came back and said yes perfectly normal.
Really !!!!

Since when is that condition normal?
I guess those metal shavings had to work their way past all those rings to get to the oil pan which explains the need for a catch can. I bought a basic GTI -130 in 2015 because I did not
Know what I was getting into. I am happy though that when extended warranty runs out in 9/2018 both the sc problem and the IBR problem will be fixed. It goes without saying , buying any machine the 1st year after a redesign is risking businesses.

 

[ski-d00]

Metal shavings are normal. Everybody seems to forget that the flywheel and bendix are included in the oil system on 4tecs and this is where the metal shavings come from. Everytime you start your ski, there is a chance of creating a metal shaving when the bendix get slammed into the flywheel. The shavings aren't going through the motor, they get trapped in the oil filter like they should. Some do go through the oil pump which is why they get so scored up.

 

[gti 130 wow]

Metal shavings are normal. Everybody seems to forget that the flywheel and bendix are included in the oil system on 4tecs and this is where the metal shavings come from. Everytime you start your ski, there is a chance of creating a metal shaving when the bendix get slammed into the flywheel. The shavings aren't going through the motor, they get trapped in the oil filter like they should. Some do go through the oil pump which is why they get so scored up.

Well that's an interesting twist but the oil pump is a integral part of the the engine and its failure= total engine failure .
I don't think I have ever herd of the engines lubricating system being used for more then the needs of the motor .
Those metal shavings that come as result of what you just described just sounds like more poor engineering that hopefully the new ace has fixed .
On Engines at max oil pressure like when accelerating , the filter is bypassed by a valve inside of it so its not a cure for rubbish coming from the sc because the filter can't take that much input oil pressure .
Well this may give us some clue why the oil in a SC sea doo has to be changed twice as often on to a great extent the same engine as the na version . No metal shavings or even any indication of oil consumption on my Na engine which is no surprise cuz its a over engendered engine made to take much higher output demands on the more demanding derivatives of this engines .

Well my extended warranty on my GTI-130 runs out in 9/2018 so by then I am sure the problems will be over for the GTR-230 I am thinking about purchasing but in the mean time I will just keep reading , learning and riding my pwc . I am especially concerned weather the ACE supercharger stays maintenance free for real and not something authorized by the marking department of BRP as some knowledgeable types have suggested because I don't want to buy a mechanics special . Despite living on the coast, work on these Sea Doo's is somewhat of a specialty and I hate having to take a # and wait in line to get my pwc fixed .

 

[Sea Dood]

Some points:

1. There is no difference between your engine and a SC engine, with respect to the shavings that Ski-D00 is talking about.
2. The 1600 ACE engine is designed exactly the same as the 1500 4TEC in this respect.
3. If you spent half the time pissing on SC engines and their owners learning about how to work on skis, then you might actually learn something relevant to discuss here.

As I have posted before, I know lots of SC ski owners, and ride with them all the time. Nobody I know has had any problems whatsoever with their SC's. When someone has a problem, they come on the forums for help. You don't find many people posting, "Hey, I just wanted to come on this forum and say that I have had absolutely no problems with my Supercharger!"

 

[gti 130 wow]

Well more bad news . Most test seem to indicate a reduction of about 1/2 lb drop in boost pressure as a result of the SC fix. The actual drop in power is hard to pin down but it may prove necessary to replace your RXT -300 stickers for maybe a RXT-280 sticker and some owners are pissed and so they should .

 

[gti 130 wow]

More Paint problems on the 300 series pwc

People are now reporting paint flaking off their engine .
In one case the dealer refused to fix because it would require taken out the engine and the owner is contesting it with BRP.
That goes along with a past problem related to the paint around where you gas the pwc up .
I have not herd of any problems like this with their na pwc's witch thankfully just use stickers and no paint on its exterior .
As a plus , I received a free extended warranty when I purchased my GTI-130 in 2015 and have herd they are still providing the warranty now no doubt due to the bad PR from the performance pwc's . At 300 hrs , I recently had a bearing failure witch in turn broke the pump housing in my GTI-130 and got a whole new jet pump, for just $50 ($900 without the warranty ) so am reaping a benefit from the misfortune of others . So I am still hopeful that they will fix these problems by 9/2018 when my warranty runs out and I consider a new pwc. I have to say right now the blue Yamaha GP- 1800 is starting to look pretty good with potential speeds close to 80 with just a v-tech tune and 75 mph with just a device to remove the speed limiter. If I go with another na pwc , I still would prefer the Sea Doos so will just have to wait and see. Thankfully due to sites like this , one can keep track of problems and solutions that are made so these days manufactures can't get away with stuff they may have been able to in the past .

 

[gti 130 wow]

I think its more then a labor issue because this happens only to the sc engine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUcIv1H8gSw

 

[XP 787]

Give it up man

 

[Coastiejoe]

There is a known TSB. His dealer failed to provide the service. This is a dealer issue more than a BRP issue.

Not saying I'd be happy. But I would be upset more with the dealer.

 

[seadoo aussie]

So what happen on the trip to the lake this time.?

 

[gti 130 wow]

There is a known TSB. His dealer failed to provide the service. This is a dealer issue more than a BRP issue.

Not saying I'd be happy. But I would be upset more with the dealer.

Wow the Mexicans screwed up then the dealer screwed up after the boat was returned to them . Or seeing that this problem is only occurring with a certain specific type of Sea Doo ,maybe theirs a design flaw waiting to be uncovered like maybe related to changes when things heat up and then cool down or a vibration issue more white washing for sure. We're not talking about the Space Shuttle here so chances are when the pwc left the factory it was tight and the dealer may of varified it before delivery and is getting a bum rap .Whats especially alarming were the fuel line leaks in the beginning !

 

[Coastiejoe]

Wow the Mexicans screwed up then the dealer screwed up after the boat was returned to them . Or seeing that this problem is only occurring with a certain specific type of Sea Doo ,maybe theirs a design flaw waiting to be uncovered like maybe related to changes when things heat up and then cool down or a vibration issue more white washing for sure. We're not talking about the Space Shuttle here so chances are when the pwc left the factory it was tight and the dealer may of varified it before delivery and is getting a bum rap .Whats especially alarming were the fuel line leaks in the beginning !

Should it have been done properly at the builders location? Absolutely. But it wasn't. And that is exactly why TSBs exist. To solve known issues prior to the end users. They pay the dealer to resolve these issues.

As I said, I'd not be happy with BRP, but in the end it falls to the selling dealer.

 

[gti 130 wow]

Its amazing why BRP does not stop all production on their sc pwc's until they have a decent product . Of course their are the nay Sayers that blame it on the dealership are try to normalize it by saying its specialized ultra high performance pwc . I guess they will have to deal with some more litigation in order to stop production but in the mean time their Na boats are just fine excluding the plastic muffler issue that's on its way to court so click on the link for more.

Another unhappy customer and keep in mind this just dates back to June which was not that long ago and says nothing about the recent sc failure . On top of that the fact that the fuel supply was not increased from 15.9 gal means when you figure a 1\3 tank reserve at full throttle 25.1 gal/ hr burn rate you only got 25 min run time mainly due to over reliance on a sc for power on such a relatively small 3 cyl, engine :

Thread: 300RXPX is the most defective machine I have ever owned!

300RXPX is the most defective machine I have ever owned
I am very fed up with my SeaDoo. I spend more time hauling this ski in and out of the dealer for repairs than actually enjoy it. I can honestly count on one hand how many times I have taken it out trouble free and most of those time were in the 0-10hr breakin period. It only has 20hrs and andis about to go back in the shop for the 6th time. Here are the facts.

Purchased 23 June 2016 $14,150 plus tax and fees $15,200 total

23 Aug (12hrs): IBR FAULT in limp mode. Dealer cleaned sensors returned ski 24 Aug

26 Aug (13hrs): All coolant lost through loose hose. Unit overheated. Dealer tightened clamp refilled coolant changed oil and returned. 30 August.

9 Sept (15hrs): IBR FAULT. In limp mode. Dealer replaced actuator returned 7 Oct.

7p Oct (15hrs): Started in Dealership parking lot with IBR FAULT. Wire harness replaced returned 19 Oct.

9 Nov (19hrs): Losing coolant, overheating, and stalling when jumping a wave. Dealer refilled coolant Returned 9 Dec.

Ran today still losing coolant and stalling out. Plan to haul out ski again and return to dealership next week.

I don't know what to do with this thing. Dealer is offering a huge loss for trade in value. I can't in good faith sell it to someone without disclosing this history which I feel would just about stop anyone from buying it (any takers?). And all BRP offered me is an extension on my warranty.What good is that if it just sits in the shop getting repaired.


http://newjerseyclassactionlawyer.net/sea-doo-exhaust-defect/

 

[pwgsx]

Sounds like the dealer isnt exactly finding the coolant leak and just refilling it and thinking it fixed itself. As for the link you posted, the exhaust is water cooled and if it overheats it is due to the fact that the rider sucked something up blocking water from the pump. Even if the resonator was made of metal the rubber hose would be the next to fail.

 

[gti 130 wow]

More white washing

Well its time for a update .
Threads dealing with problems in some cases ones that have resulted in injury on Sea Doo performance skis continue to be edited and in some cases deleted by some web sites "excluding" this one .

People who post threads inquiring about potential problems with Sea Doo SC skis continue to be edited and in some cases deleted . Two recent ones evolved certain critical bolts that were not upgraded after a stock tune and a video reposted by a fellow , concerned pwc operator on a IBR gen 2 Sea doo of its brakes deploying at high speed and resulting in injury , legation and a steering column broke and dangling that has since been deleted by a particular web site . More post are coming up seeking ways to modify data to cheat the warranty that just makes those warranties more costly for all of us . I may also post that the Sea Doo NA skis stock , tuned are any combination continue to maintain a stellar record with more post recording 800 + hrs and going strong

 

[Sea Dood]

Dude, you are clueless. You bashed tunes in your last post, yet constantly pontificate on how wonderful your tuned lowly 130 GTI is. Don't you realize that the people that have issues are just a fraction of the overall ski population?

When I watch the legions of clueless owners riding their skis on my lake, I am amazed the skis last as long as they do.

If you don't like BRP, sell your ski and shut up.

 

[gti 130 wow]

NO BRAKES!!! Horrific Sea Doo RXT-X 300 Wipeout - YouTube

Just one more step on the way to making a viable ski hopefully by 2018 when I am thinking of purchasing a GTR 230 .

 

[XP 787]

So after all of this you are still wanting a supercharged ski?

 

[gti 130 wow]

Sure my success with my 2015 GTI 130 with a whopping 350 hrs with just a re glue of the depth finder gives me confidence that they will eventually get all this fixed but not at my expense and safety. I especially like the new design of the supercharger it looks like a lot of thought went into its redesign and maybe 235 hp as apposed to 300hp may be workable long term.

 

[gti 130 wow]

I have deleted your post due to SPAM

It looked as though you cut and pasted into this forum. In doing so, you brought "Birth Control" advertisement with it.

As this is not your norm, I deleted and left this message rather than banning and or blocking you. I will assume it was an accident.

 

[gti 130 wow]

Yes it was