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Soooo, a few buddies and me are heading out to Chesapeake Light on Sunday. It is 36 miles roundtrip, and the fuel economy I found online for a '97 GTX with the 787 is showing a 71-mile range at WOT of 55mph.

A. I'm sure this was a brand new engine estimate. Mine runs great with 152 compression a side, and it wasn't an exact reading but it seemed like I ran a half tank on 19.5 miles this weekend.

B. I am not against bringing me a small fuel can with an extra gallon or two, just really don't want to use up free space if I am definitely not going to need it.

C. We are not going to be running 55mph WOT out there and back, so on paper I look good on fuel mileage. However, I don't want to get half-way out there and see that we need to turn back.

I guess bottom line I am looking for some no BS bottom line numbers of anybody riding a stock 95-97 GTX from anybody that has checked their mileage/consumption accurately. Any input is appreciated!

http://www.seadoosource.com/fueleconomy.html
 
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Just a week ago my son and I took our GTI's out on Lake Michigan for a ride. They have the 717 engines. We went about a total of 55 miles and when we were done, neither had to be switched to reserve. Since we were going to be in such a large body of water and going 9 miles or so off the mainland, we took a 2 gallon container of fuel (I know, 2 gallons won't go THAT far). We also cruised at about 2/3rd's throttle or so to conserve fuel. Good that you are traveling as a group. Be safe and enjoy.
 
Hey 2 gallons is a lot less paddling or swimming in fins towing the boat, which I am packing for both. I guess I am just reluctant to believe 71 miles range at WOT. We will probably cruise about 30-35 depending on seastate.

Definitely traveling in the pack for safety, and we are going spearfishing while we are out there. Also have my GPS and VHF in case. Leaving pretty early in the morning so we have lots of daylight in case anything happens. I will also have my gopro mounted. Then I will have to learn to edit videos. Kind of wanted to video the entire ride out and then put it on fastforward with music to make a video that is only a few minutes.
 
We cruised at about that speed. Seemed just fine. How big is the tank in your model? Ours are 12 and 15 I think. Lake Michigan can get rough so we left around 7am and were back to port by 10:30 or so. Saw a shipwreck and a couple of lighthouses and a lot of sand dunes. The lake was like glass the whole time.
 
15 gallons including reserve. That sounds like a nice trip. We have the Ghost Fleet down here, anchored out in the middle of the river.
 
Just a week ago my son and I took our GTI's out on Lake Michigan for a ride. They have the 717 engines. We went about a total of 55 miles and when we were done, neither had to be switched to reserve. Since we were going to be in such a large body of water and going 9 miles or so off the mainland, we took a 2 gallon container of fuel (I know, 2 gallons won't go THAT far). We also cruised at about 2/3rd's throttle or so to conserve fuel. Good that you are traveling as a group. Be safe and enjoy.

El Toro, what were you doing up in Michigan? so close, yet so far away.......Lk MI is about 3.5 - 4 hours away...due West.
 
We were on vacation in NW Michigan. Up by TC and the Sleeping Bear Dunes. Just got back Monday. Was up there almost 3 weeks.
 
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Soooo, a few buddies and me are heading out to Chesapeake Light on Sunday. It is 18 miles roundtrip, and the fuel economy I found online for a '97 GTX with the 787 is showing a 71-mile range at WOT of 55mph.

A. I'm sure this was a brand new engine estimate. Mine runs great with 152 compression a side, and it wasn't an exact reading but it seemed like I ran a half tank on 19.5 miles this weekend.

B. I am not against bringing me a small fuel can with an extra gallon or two, just really don't want to use up free space if I am definitely not going to need it.

C. We are not going to be running 55mph WOT out there and back, so on paper I look good on fuel mileage. However, I don't want to get half-way out there and see that we need to turn back.

I guess bottom line I am looking for some no BS bottom line numbers of anybody riding a stock 95-97 GTX from anybody that has checked their mileage/consumption accurately. Any input is appreciated!

http://www.seadoosource.com/fueleconomy.html

i'm not sure I understand your concerns,, 18 miles round trip is nothing.

the figures are accurate..., or at least within acceptable tolerances i've checked, sure you'll do better if you don't run wot but you are talking no more than 10-15%, don't be planning 80+ mile trips with this ski w/o extra fuel, but 50 mile trips? all day long :)

a) if you ran 19 miles on a half a tank(ish) why would you think 18 will be too far
b) see A)
c) see A) you won't run out 9 miles into the trip...

you should get approximately 60 miles minimum, absolute minimum, 70 is a realistic minimum but reasonable to expect, if you were planning a trip that was 60 miles or more, i'd suggest extra gas for sure, if your trip is 50 or less, absolutely nothing to worry about.

so even if your OP was a typo and you meant to say its 18 miles 1 way, there is still no concern IMO unless you plan on running a lengthy side trip. i've made many 40 mile runs with a 787, riding pretty dam hard and always used less than 9 gallons.

with that said,,, doesn't this model have a mini storage bin under the rear seat , just about the right size for a 2 gallon can ? in addition to a monster size storage bin up front that you could put a body in ? (all your other stuff?)

if there is absolutely any doubt... i'd say, throw 2 gallons in the rear storage, and when you get to your destination, or your first water brake after a few miles, dump it into your tank just for good measure, and then you won't be running around with 2 gallons of gas in the rear... then when you get back, on the way home top off your tank and you'll know exactly how much you used, which will be an indicator for next time, and i can safely say that you won't bring those 2 gallons again since you found that you had plenty of extra fuel.

I do track mileage / gps / and with my 787 i generally get between 4.5 and 5.5 miles to the gallon, depending on ride conditions and how many times i pin the throttle. In theory, you'll use less than half of your 15 gallon tank even if you ride the full ride, do some side trips and goof off when you get there... heck, i'd make that ride with a 9 gallon tank w/o hesitation...

lastly, don't worry about those figures using a "brand new" engine, the figures won't change more than 5-10% no matter what.

side note: I love that link, and i've used it before, for the same reasons you posted this, I rode with a 9 gallon tank for the last 18 months until a couple of weeks ago, so trust me, fuel was a constant concern, every ride was based on "how far can i go w/o heading into that danger zone)

but...

but I would like to question the top speed figures.. I've never been on a bone stock gtx that would hit 55 mph on my gps, the limiteds would hit that and have some to spare, but not the 787's.

have you hit 55 on your GTX with a gps ? i generally ran from 49-52 tops, but this is also florida, 9 months out of the year we do run slower, lots of moisture in the air here.
 
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i'm not sure I understand your concerns,, 18 miles round trip is nothing.

so even if your OP was a typo and you meant to say its 18 miles 1 way, there is still no concern IMO unless you plan on running a lengthy side trip. i've made many 40 mile runs with a 787, riding pretty dam hard and always used less than 9 gallons.
but I would like to question the top speed figures.. I've never been on a bone stock gtx that would hit 55 mph on my gps, the limiteds would hit that and have some to spare, but not the 787's.

have you hit 55 on your GTX with a gps ? i generally ran from 49-52 tops, but this is also florida, 9 months out of the year we do run slower, lots of moisture in the air here.

You hit it on the head, is should've read 18 miles one-way. I appreciate the in depth response too!

Most likely gonna cruise 30-35. Showing 2-3 foot sea state for tomorrow right up on the coast, and actually calmer farther out.

When I bought it, the gauge showed 56 for a stored peak mph. I have hit 52 on the gauge and don't have the mph on my GPS. It is a handheld Magellan from my mountain bike. I am just glad it loaded waterways and I didn't have to buy another one. I am close to needing a wear ring and just trying to make it through the summer, so there is probably some top end left at the dock.
 
the gauge is just an indicator, its not exact, a gp3 is the only true indicator, and "max speed" really only tells a very short story anyway, but its not important anyway, not like your going to get any bragging rights with this model :)

can we safely assume you made the round trip just fine ?
 
the gauge is just an indicator, its not exact, a gp3 is the only true indicator, and "max speed" really only tells a very short story anyway, but its not important anyway, not like your going to get any bragging rights with this model :)

can we safely assume you made the round trip just fine ?

That is a safe assumption. I will wave the BS flag for the factory specs though. On the old Seadoometer, it ended up being 9.1 miles out to the Light. So round trip it we returned to shore at 18.8 miles. Then we cruised the shore line for a while and my low fuel light came on at 25 miles. We rode about another half hour on that just by Rudee's Inlet jumping the swells :-D Then as we pulled in the 1 mile no-wake zone I had to flip to reserve.

Even counting that the gauge is counting ON and not Reserve, and the fact that we were in open-water with some rough stuff part of the trip, there is absolutely no way I would have gotten 71 miles running at WOT. We were between 25-35 the ride out and back. Up on plane and pretty straight line riding.
 
i can get about 60 to 70 miles on a tank, but i have to cruise about 5500 rpms. cant hammer the gas at all or gas miles go down fast.
 
That is a safe assumption. I will wave the BS flag for the factory specs though. On the old Seadoometer, it ended up being 9.1 miles out to the Light. So round trip it we returned to shore at 18.8 miles. Then we cruised the shore line for a while and my low fuel light came on at 25 miles. We rode about another half hour on that just by Rudee's Inlet jumping the swells :-D Then as we pulled in the 1 mile no-wake zone I had to flip to reserve.

Even counting that the gauge is counting ON and not Reserve, and the fact that we were in open-water with some rough stuff part of the trip, there is absolutely no way I would have gotten 71 miles running at WOT. We were between 25-35 the ride out and back. Up on plane and pretty straight line riding.

well, honestly the only way to tell is to top it off an you'll know exactly what you used, and with a gps you'll know exactly how far you traveled, do the math then, 35 miles is way too short for the res light to kick in.
 
I'm sure the trip has already happened, and probably without incident. For others reading this in the future, ALWAYS keep a hose pincher in your ski for the chance you need to be towed. You WILL fill your engine with water if you tow it without pinching your water inlet hose (the one that goes into the head that does NOT have the hose Tee). On the 787, you can actually see little arrows next to the two big water hoses that go into the head. While being towed, you want to have the INLET pinched off. The way SeaDoos cool themselves is they steal some of the water being pushed to propel you to cool the engine. If you're being towed, water is still being forced thought the cooling system. The exhaust system is cooled by directly injecting water into the exhaust stream. With the engine off and no exhaust flow, the water builds in the exhaust system. On a long enough tow, the system fills up and the water runs back into the cylinders thought the exhaust ports. Always pinch off the inlet while being towed! (sadly, I'm speaking from experience)
 
thanks i didnt know witch hose to pinch off. but i never been towed. what pinchers do u us?
 
the pinchers I use are from Harbor Freight...

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or if you forget to bring a clamp, needlenose vice grips will work, or ,,, pull the hose, shove a spark plug in it and zip tie it tight.
 
Good Thread on mileage. Wow, the data indicates we only get 5 mph on these couches, be they a Sea Doo or Kawi. And I was complaining that my 56 Chevy Nomad only gets 18 mph towing my Kawi's.
 
Good Thread on mileage. Wow, the data indicates we only get 5 mph on these couches, be they a Sea Doo or Kawi. And I was complaining that my 56 Chevy Nomad only gets 18 mph towing my Kawi's.


i try not to think about gas mileage, it gets depressing to think that with oil, maintenance, breakdowns your getting about $1 per mile.

again, i try not to think about it.
 
Harbor freight, completely forgot to look there. Love all the odd stuff they carry.

I guess water just kills mileage. Seems like motorcycles with the same acceleration get some much more per gallon.
 
JCZ, you should be able to get around 60 miles at wot given your ski is not tuned rich, my gtx gets me around 60 miles to a tank and i have it tuned a wee bit ritch on both oil and gas to make sure my engine lasts longer.(overall) What i would recommend , is if you hit 1 footers or more (enough to cause temporary cavitation and catching air) you just slow down do around 4500-5000 rpms..........cause what kills my tank is the constant cavitation from jumping wave to wave........if you think about it , your ski drinks alot more alot faster because the load dissapears from the engine for a few seconds..........but yeah , top it all the way off and you should be ok.........what i do is i took my empty Interceptor oil (1 gallon jug) an filled it with gas, screwed the cap on tight and then rapped a band of duct tape around it vertically to make sure the cap doesnt come off..........ive had it in the front of my ski all summer, hasnt dripped or leaked............its my reserve reserve lol.
 
So it costs about $35-$50 per hour of non stop running, that's cheap entertainment if you compare it to some other activities that arent as much fun. A good amusement park ride will cost $10 and it only lasts 15 seconds. Its really cheap if you ride 2 up, then your costs are cut in half per person.......... I gotta justify the expense somehow lol
 
what i do is i took my empty Interceptor oil (1 gallon jug) an filled it with gas, screwed the cap on tight and then rapped a band of duct tape around it vertically to make sure the cap doesnt come off..........ive had it in the front of my ski all summer, hasnt dripped or leaked............its my reserve reserve lol.

Kool idea Schmidtty. Will a Wal -Mart jug work as well as an Interceptor jug? lol

Because there are so many Threads about brands of oil on the Forum, maybe its time to address cruising ranges for the myriad of PWC's out there, be it Kawi, Polaris, Sea Doo and Yami. (alphabetical order-so no preference of manufacturer is alluded to)

It is clear from this Thread, gas consumption is a much larger cost factor than the type of oil we put into our PWC's.
 
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