The 800 is plenty powerful enough to wavejump. The GSX with the 800 would be a happy medium of stability and power. The X-4 though (96xp, 97-99 spx) was born to jump and the power to weight ratio is the best they ever had.
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SabrToothSqrl
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The 800 in a GSX is happy engine. I will agree with that.
It's just that a 951 in a GSX makes ME happier
But they both work, very well. The 800 I will agree is easier to work on in that engine bay.
It's just that a 951 in a GSX makes ME happier
But they both work, very well. The 800 I will agree is easier to work on in that engine bay.
I would think that 951 parts would be harder to find in Ozland, even more so than the 787 parts.
YES, the 951's are crammed in there....hard to see the bottom of the hull even.....LOL.
YES, the 951's are crammed in there....hard to see the bottom of the hull even.....LOL.
gazza2010au
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funny enough speaking of my old GSX what pops up today on my local classifieds online my old GSX with the bloke i sold it to in the pic lol its been a couple of years now what a spinner he mentioned he has never had a problem and it runs great i guess my rebuilding skills is up to scratch :hurray:
Thanks for all the replys, I was conviced to go buy a GSX800 but the two that were for sale are now sold!
How ever one ski did just pop up, it's a 2000 Seadoo RX DI Millennium Edition but it's got some engine problems, I've been speaking with the seller and this is what he's told me:
The Info guage with hour meter burnt out at just over 150 hours, has been replaced with a gauge that shows 120 hours, it has been rebuilt previously but not sure when, the engine doesnt run properly, he had it on the water 2 weeks ago and couldn't get it faster than 40-50km/h, He's had it compression tested: 150, 130. It hasn't been flooded, there is no water in bilge or in fuel/oil tank, He cleaned the RAVE valves, there was no traces of water or loose metal shrapnel. Always flushed out and cleaned been used in salt water for about 8 hours max.
What's people's thoughts? He needs it gone by the end of the weekend as he's moving out and can't take it with him.
Thanks
How ever one ski did just pop up, it's a 2000 Seadoo RX DI Millennium Edition but it's got some engine problems, I've been speaking with the seller and this is what he's told me:
The Info guage with hour meter burnt out at just over 150 hours, has been replaced with a gauge that shows 120 hours, it has been rebuilt previously but not sure when, the engine doesnt run properly, he had it on the water 2 weeks ago and couldn't get it faster than 40-50km/h, He's had it compression tested: 150, 130. It hasn't been flooded, there is no water in bilge or in fuel/oil tank, He cleaned the RAVE valves, there was no traces of water or loose metal shrapnel. Always flushed out and cleaned been used in salt water for about 8 hours max.
What's people's thoughts? He needs it gone by the end of the weekend as he's moving out and can't take it with him.
Thanks
Spimothy Leary
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we've covered the DI issues at length...
bottom line, unless your really really experienced with DI's, your going to be in over your head immediately, very complicated, very hard to diagnose, very expensive to repair.
bottom line, unless your really really experienced with DI's, your going to be in over your head immediately, very complicated, very hard to diagnose, very expensive to repair.
Can you point me in the direction of this thread?
Doesn't sound like anything to do with the DI (Direct Injection?), One of the cylinders only has 130 doesn't that mean it's on it's way out and loosing compression?
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gazza2010au
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wow theres no jetskis in south oz this might tickle your fancy but not the price tag his asking $1000-$1500 to much but no wonder his asking so much u have next to no skis down there! u might need to make a trip to melbourne mate i just seen believe it! a seadoo GSX 2000 model with a blown engine sell for an incredible $1225 i was pissed i blew my cash before i seen the auction it was in melbourne
EDIT i get it why there are no jetskis down there because south oz is the home of the great white shark and we all know jetskis look like a surfer,seal,swimming no one wants to ride a jetski :lol:
EDIT i get it why there are no jetskis down there because south oz is the home of the great white shark and we all know jetskis look like a surfer,seal,swimming no one wants to ride a jetski :lol:
Haha no you see my struggle! This seadoo I'm looking into he wanted $4900 but dropped down to $3500 because he needs it gone by the weekend due to moving out and the motor issue. I've seen an indenticle ski at my local seadoo dealship selling for $6500 in no where near as good condition as this one.
But from the sounds of it the DI isn't worth the headaches?
I have considered travelling to Melbourne, freight is roughly $800 but can't inspect before I buy, But driving there would cost me about $300 in fuel there and back. Gazza that's why I asked you if that was your ski In that link, seems like a good price. Any bodge jobs done on it by the previous owner?:thumbsup:
Haha but if it's still for sale and I don't get the one I'm looking into now, I might consider the Melbourne trip!
gazza2010au
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nah mate no bodge jobs done heres the pics i know its my old jetski from the guy in the pic and those eye anchors used for timber the guy i bought it from put them onto it tie it down for god knows why lol
I trust that the ski was well kept Gazza, seem like a knowledgeable person and obviously it was your pride and joy! What was that ski you was talking about gazza that might tickle my fancy but not the price tag?
Still considering this RX DI he sent me some photo's what do you think? He needs to sold by the weekend. Here's some photos, new to jetski's so not entirely sure what I'm looking at.
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gazza2010au
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this one mate http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Seadoo-G...g_Water_Sports_Watercraft&hash=item416eb58502
it will have the 720 or 780 motor i dont know anything about the 951's so if others are saying stay clear of them they must be a troubled engine
it will have the 720 or 780 motor i dont know anything about the 951's so if others are saying stay clear of them they must be a troubled engine
It says in the listing it has the 720 motor, how powerfull are these? Enough to pull a skier? Jump waves etc? What are the GTI's?
Ah yes I have seen that one, how much do you think it'd be worth? $3500-4000?
I don't know have had mixed opinions on the 951's and they have said they are harder to work on.
gazza2010au
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720 is the most reliable engine ive had it'll do around 85kph and imo the more modern 4 strokes are better for skiing
Do they have plenty of power for hitting big waves and rough waters? I don't plan to use it heaps for skier's just once every now and again. I would of thought the 720 would be a bit underpowered for the GTI Hull being that it's a bit bigger than a gsx.
Do they have plenty of power for hitting big waves and rough waters? I don't plan to use it heaps for skier's just once every now and again. I would of thought the 720 would be a bit underpowered for the GTI Hull being that it's a bit bigger than a gsx.
gazza2010au
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mate they have the 580 engines in the 3 seater seadoo's! of course they get up and go my SPX which was a 2 seater carrying 3 would still get up and go and it had the 720 engine seadoo wouldnt put a engine into a jetski if it wasnt capable of doing a job and that being carrying 3 people for recreational fun the 580 engines were 55/60hp the 720 is 85hp the 780 is 110hp and 951 is 130hp not much difference between the hp's from the reliable 720 and 780's
u can look up the top speed for the GTI and it should show u how fast from idle to top speed they do my SPX was around 3 seconds from idle to 85kph i'd imgine the GTI would be about 5 seconds when u think about it u have plenty of time to jump a wave i was jumping waves on my GSX here in sydney at port hacking u only need about a 7 meter run and your airborne also at half throttle anymore you'll be packing your undies lol or backing off the throttle
gazza2010au
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keep in mind more horse power doesnt equal a lot more speed they vary around 8kph between models so not a whole lot top speeds are around the 100kph a bit under some abit over
It's hard coming from a dirtbike background where a bike is judge majority of the time on it's motor! I'm not really after top speed more so take off speeds and cornering. Would a GTI Handle the same as a GSX sort of thing? Obviously the XP's are nimble, corner well and unstable.
Just a bit put of by the DI (I assume that's direct injection?) after what spimothy mentioned in his post.
Just a bit put of by the DI (I assume that's direct injection?) after what spimothy mentioned in his post.
gazza2010au
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ive grown up my whole life riding motocross bikes i havent ridden the GTI but my GSX was nice to ride comfy just the handle bars felt a little low to me to stand up and ride otherwise a great ski but going from the 720 to 780 u have power valves that will need cleaning where as the 720 doesnt
Well my plan is to either get a GSX, GTI or this RX DI, the guy had someone come look at it today and apparently he recons it needs a top end rebuild, but he doesnt have the time to do it. Price is now down to $3200. I had a top end priced at a local dealership at $1400 incl labour, which would bring the price up to 4500 roughly. I'm not too keen on splitting a motor and rebuilding it myself.
That said they have 951 DI motors on ebay bidding at $1500 exchange with fully overhauled top and bottom motor. What would be more labour intensive, top end rebuild or motor swap?
That said they have 951 DI motors on ebay bidding at $1500 exchange with fully overhauled top and bottom motor. What would be more labour intensive, top end rebuild or motor swap?
Spimothy Leary
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not sure which wold be more expensive, since I've never done a DI except to just pull the engine. (that's the easy part) but my concerns about DI's are more about high diagnostics & repair costs, many qualified mechanic's won't touch one, and if you know very little yourself your going to be in over your head and depending on the honestly and skills of the mechanic doing the work, parts are not that plentiful , there are a LOT more Parts that can malfunction, and usually they are quite a bit more expensive than carb'd engine parts for sure, especially in your location.
With that said, a solid running DI is better than a solid running carb model, more fuel efficient by far. But once something breaks, be prepared to step up to the pay window.
$3200 for a DI that needs a top end is scary high IMO but i'm in Florida, seems like it would be half that. In Florida a DI needing a top end wouldn't fetch more than $800.
Keep in mind his "buyer" might have said that to drive the price down as well. You won't know for sure what i needs until a qualified wrencher gets a good look at it.
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Well ya snooze ya loose.
Ski just sold, I suppose it's probably a good thing as I wasn't to keen on the DI.
Think might start looking interstate again! That said, gazza your old ski is on the list and the price dropped a little bit as well. I've also found another GSX on ebay which is in Chirnside Park, VIC.
Problem is I don't want to drive all the way there and find the ski isn't as good as what I thought, @ gazza is there any mobile mechanic's in NSW that specialize in ski's that can do inspections?
Cheers
Ski just sold, I suppose it's probably a good thing as I wasn't to keen on the DI.
Think might start looking interstate again! That said, gazza your old ski is on the list and the price dropped a little bit as well. I've also found another GSX on ebay which is in Chirnside Park, VIC.
Problem is I don't want to drive all the way there and find the ski isn't as good as what I thought, @ gazza is there any mobile mechanic's in NSW that specialize in ski's that can do inspections?
Cheers
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gazza2010au
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not sure mate you'll have to do some searching
I've found some mobile jet ski mechanincs in NSW, so waiting on a reply from them about inspections. I'm starting to consider getting an XP as there's a couple down here in SA.
I figure 90% of the use will be in the river, so most of the time it'll be flat water and the xp would corner and turn better.
Anything to look out for on the XP's when buying second hand?
Cheers
I figure 90% of the use will be in the river, so most of the time it'll be flat water and the xp would corner and turn better.
Anything to look out for on the XP's when buying second hand?
Cheers
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