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99 gtx 951 carb bottom end question

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I tore apart my 951 engine and am doing a top end rebuild. I've read here that people usually don't check the bottom end if it looks good from the outside. Well, the crankshaft and CB shaft turn fine but I checked the oil in the CB plug and did not find any. There's a plug on the opposite side almost at the bottom of the crankcase but I guess that would be to remove water from the crankcase if it ever takes water in since the CB case it's sealed from the crankcase. There is no plug in the bottom of the CB case, just a plug on top to add oil I guess. My question is, Should I take the bottom end apart? If I do, Do the CB shaft round seals, the palstic and the metallic, need to be replaced? Or should I just add 40 ml of oil in the CB shaft case and leave it alone.

Thanks :driving:

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Take it apart...the 951s are so under engineered. If you plan to keep this machine a while I would recommend doing a full rebuild.

Welcome to the site! If there is anything I can help you with let me know.
 
Take it apart...the 951s are so under engineered. If you plan to keep this machine a while I would recommend doing a full rebuild...........

Nick, please expand your reasoning for saying the 951 are "under engineered".
What's wrong with them and what should have been done to them?
 
Nick, please expand your reasoning for saying the 951 are "under engineered".
What's wrong with them and what should have been done to them?

i'm no 951 expert but here's what I do know... because i've been lectured on this subject once or thrice :)

quite simply, they are a doomed machine, the pistons are like coffee cans and the cases aren't strong enough to take a hit, so they rarely survive a failure without a crack or blowing a hole all together, its really not a question of IF a 951 will fail, but WHEN, and sadly when they do, its about a 60% chance that the cases will blow a hole making the rebuild $300 more expensive. Even if the top end locks up, the crank rods are still very likely to do serious damage to the 951 cases and crank. In contrast the 717/787 cases generally survive a top end failure or a crank failure, they do crack/ventilate on occasion, but not nearly as often.

from a rider's perspective the trade off is this, higher top speeds, and killer mid range power, meaning you can enjoy improved acceleration and higher speeds touching the low 60's vs mid to high 50's on the same ski powered by a 787. This is even more noticable on say a GTX vs a GSX, since the hull is so much bigger on the GTX.

You'll enjoy increased performance but the life of the engine WILL be shorter.

what should be done ? fog often, warm up the engine before you jam the throttle right out of the ramp (i'm talking to YOU dennis ! lol)
and if you can bear the expense or do the work yourself, tear down the engine every season or two depending on usage inspect the crank, cb shaft, top end, and if there is ANY doubt, replace questionable parts, and reassemble. I'd even go as far as suggesting that even if the crank appears good, sell it as a good used crank, buy a core crank, and replace the crank, and possibly do the same for the top end. this is much easier if you do your own work, what your trying to avoid is a complete blowout. if you have a blow, then you have to spend upwards to $300 shipped on cases (and this is becoming the entry price on 951 cases now, i know this from experience) then rebuild from there.

IMO a reman engine with a 2 year warranty is MUCH more critical if your running the 951 powerplant vs a 787, not really because one is more prone to failure but really because the failure is generally spectacular !
 
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Hi there, Thanx

Would like to take it apart to check the CB shaft but I need to know where I can get the exterior round plugs or caps that seal both ends of the CB shaft in the motor. One is plastic and the other is metallic. I tried to find them online but no luck so far. Or maybe they can be reused. Do u know?IMAG0978.jpgIMAG0979.jpg
 
if you need one.. contact Minnetonka4me, I'm sure i've ordered them from him, and i believe you can reuse them, I don't see why not.
 
how do they get removed? When you split the bottom end the just come off or they need to be pried out....
 
The only thing that makes me want to take it apart is the fact that I did not find oil in the CB shaft case. I turned the motor upside down an d nothing came out. I called SBT and they told me that there's just enough oil in there to keep the CB shaft lube and that's why no oil came out from the fill plug. Weird!!!
 
That would be great if all I have to do is reuse those seals/caps and just buy the crankcase gasket. Then I would have the crankcase sandblasted or cleaned. Looks dirty in there
 
I've purchased all the parts for at least 3 951 builds, and i've never ordered new caps, but i've ordered used ones when we misplaced one :)

as far as the crankcase.... bag up the crank so it doesn't collect any dust, then hit the cases with about 20 squirts degreaser (purple power or super clean will work nicely) use it liberally, then spray or pressure wash the cases inside and out, blow with air, if still dirty, repeat, you may want to consider sandblasting if there is stuff built up. Obviously, check the cases very carefully for little cracks. then rinse, blow, rinse, blow, rinse and blow again, you want ZERO debris inside the case. and you want a good clean crank as well, check all the bearings to see if they are free spinning and quiet.
 
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