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Looking to buy 2 Jet ski's...Need help 2000 Seadoo RX-DI

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I am in the process of looking to buy my first pair of jet Ski's for my wife and I. I don't know nothing about them. I came across some and am wondering if it is a good del and opinions on these Ski's. Here is the info:

A pair of 2000 Seadoo RX-DI Jet Skis

A matching pair of 2000 Seadoo Millennium Edition RX-DI jet skis. They are sitting on a Karavan dual trailer. Both skis run good. He has had the top end rebuilt on one at end of last season, so it still needs to be broken in. The other one had a complete motor rebuild about 3years ago (paperwork to prove). These are Direct injected. Quicker starting. He has had had them for 2 years. Asking $5500

Any help would greatly be appreciated.
Thank You in advance!


I also posted in meet and greet but I figured I might get more responses over here.
 
Well, the DI skis are great when they are running right but God help you if you start having any issues. They are a pain to diagnose, fix, and parts are costly. Most DIY people can't do most of the work without the equipment needed and a lot of shops won't mess with 2 stroke doos much less and 2 stroke DI ski. For your first ski I would be looking for a 787 carb ski possibly a 951 but deff a carb ski
 
di's are great when running, and terrible when not running, very hard to diagnose problems and generally expensive to fix, unless you happen to have a mechanic that is VERY familiar with them, then its not a huge deal, actually parts costs are not the issue generally, but rather labor charges. IMO, if you don't know much about ski's then i'd suggest avoiding the Di Models. Thats my .02, and i've been around seadoo's for years.

but again, if you have a great mechanic and he's capable.. then go for it.

the price is 'about' right for two ski's on a trailer, but IMO you can spend money elsewhere and find better value.

you might want to look over the paperwork the guy has for the rebuild, top end,, see what the prices were... if they're not outrageous, then maybe he already found you a good mechanic :)
 
the problem is the fuel pumps, electronics, sensors, etc are all 12 years old. 2 years older than sea-doo planned for them to last.

they were / are great skis 10 years ago. However the cost to repair them with new (if you can get them) parts means big $$$ if they break.

some of the 4 strokes are getting fairly cheap and should be reliable.
 
I think that you'd best listen to the advice given by the three guys above.

I've never owned a DI but I've been around PWC forums long enough to know that I'm going to steer clear of them.

Not only that, but it's just my personal opinion that it's pretty much a requirement to be mechanically inclined when getting into these older, 2-stroke Sea Doos. Constantly paying mechanics to figure out whats wrong and fix the problems will break you.

You probably don't know this but prices for used skis is location dependent. Here in Florida, low prices are the norm and there can be some smokin' deals here. You didn't list your location.
 
Thanks guys for the advice, I am in Southern Ohio, around Cincinnati.

for starters, identify your ride style, where you'll ride, who you'll ride with.

passengers or riding solo.
will both ski's generally go out together
will you be riding with other ski's and are they newer or older ski's
are you looking to jump wakes, pull tubes, cruise canals or rivers ?
on a 1-10 scale how mechanically inclined are you ? i
if its closer to a 1-2, then you need to identify your future mechanic.
will ski's be stored indoors or outside when not riding

all those factors will help you select a year, make , model for your ski purchase.

basically i'm saying, don't go in blind and just buy a ski cuz it sounds like fun. (unless of course you have money to burn and this is just an impulse buy, then thats cool, but you could still narrow down your choices, and not overspend by breaking down your riding habits. )
 
make sure you buy something working and TEST DRIVE IT BEFORE YOU BUY IT.

i hear you on that my man ! I preach that to everyone, and my GP purchase 2 weeks ago, I didn't test ride it !

(i knew people that rode with the owner just 3 weeks before, so I decided It wasn't needed, got excited and didn't heed my own advice)

I'm paying the price now, it heads to the Mechanic tomorrow to resolve issues that became OBVIOUS 5 minutes into my test ride.. toooo late !!!! called the PO after my failed ride only for him to say "oh ya, it does that, it started acting up last week and I thought I fixed that but I guess its not fixed, sorry !"

fortunately 1) i bought it right and under fair market value, and 2) the part he bought that he thought would fix the running issue was $500...and he gave me the old part.. so as long as my problem cost's less than $500 i can sell the part and break even,, but had I test rode it.. i either would have walked away, or negotiated a better price.

Stupid me !

so.. don't be a spim.. test ride your skis !!!!
 
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The advice given in here so far has been solid, DI skis are great when they're working right, but they will make you want to set them on fire when they're not. and they tend to not work well more often than they do work well it seems. the early 4 stroke skis are getting a lot cheaper right now since its coming to the end of riding season, especially around where you are. if your budget is around 5500, you should be able to pick up a 155 hp 4tec (i'd stay away from early supercharged skis) that will do just about everything an rxdi will do, for around the same price. if you just buy one ski, you could pick up a 4-5 year old 215hp gtx or similar, but with the added power comes increased maintenance costs.
 
passengers or riding solo. .......Mostly riding solo with occasional passenger
will both ski's generally go out together......Will go out together majority of the time
will you be riding with other ski's and are they newer or older ski's.....No
are you looking to jump wakes, pull tubes, cruise canals or rivers ?......Would like to pull tubes and will take to Ohio River and local lakes
on a 1-10 scale how mechanically inclined are you ? .......... 3 if its closer to a 1-2, then you need to identify your future mechanic.
will ski's be stored indoors or outside when not riding
..............indoors


We actually just got back from Dale Hollow Lake and borrowed my brother-in-laws and had an absolute blast. We were actually planning on buying Jet Ski's a few years ago and kids came along. So we put that on the back burner. And now we believe we are ready.
 
I don't know... That non SC motor might not move that ski as quick as it should. Then you have the issue with who put it in, did the do it correctly, has it been maintained,why did the original 4 tech fail. It could be someone else's problem they are trying to dump off
 
passengers or riding solo. .......Mostly riding solo with occasional passenger
will both ski's generally go out together......Will go out together majority of the time
will you be riding with other ski's and are they newer or older ski's.....No
are you looking to jump wakes, pull tubes, cruise canals or rivers ?......Would like to pull tubes and will take to Ohio River and local lakes
on a 1-10 scale how mechanically inclined are you ? .......... 3 if its closer to a 1-2, then you need to identify your future mechanic.
will ski's be stored indoors or outside when not riding
..............indoors


We actually just got back from Dale Hollow Lake and borrowed my brother-in-laws and had an absolute blast. We were actually planning on buying Jet Ski's a few years ago and kids came along. So we put that on the back burner. And now we believe we are ready.

oh, i forgot to ask about age, since most 25 year olds might feel differently about a hull choice than a 45 year old.

based on that info. here's my answer, two of the following: (3-6K for a pair) I've ridden all of these at one point or another, even if for just a short ride.

96-98 seadoo GSX 787 (very nice all around general purpose ski)
96-97 GTX 787 (bigger and slower than gsx)
99 Seadoo GSXL 951 (love this ski)
98-2002 GTXL 951 (01/02 are much better looking)
99-02 XPL (sporty like GSXL, good looking, not good for passengers)
any RX thats 951 Carbed, no DI's
Yami Wave runner XL700 (comparable to gtx 787 but a tad slower but very reliable)
Waverunner XL1200 (faster than 700 but its a big GTX basically)
stay away from yami 800 powervalve engines, and GP 1200 models, but I like GP1300's.
those would all be considered "gentlemen's cruisers" with the 99 GSXL being the peppiest of the bunch and best value for the money, and my preferred ski. 2nd choice might be the GSX 787 models as well, i like that hull design very much.

all of the above offer a solid cruising speed (50 up to 62) good fuel range with big tanks (60miles on a tank ballpark) the 787's are considered more reliable. the 951's beware of high hour engines (over 150 means its getting "up there")

maybe 1 GSX, and 1 RX might be a good combo, with the RX being slightly more stable (wife's ski?) and both are pleasing to the eye.

4 strokes (bigger budget) (7-10K for 2 skis)
seadoo 155 4tech non supercharged (gtx rxp)
yamaha fx 110 or fx 140
yamaha fxho (very nice ski for the money)
kawi has some nice 4 strokes but i'm not familiar enough with them to voice an opinion, never been on one in my life.
honda has some decent ones too, and they get incredible fuel economy.

if you want pep? jump waves? buy a 96 XP or a 97-99 spx (99 spx my favorite)
upside, the funnest ski you'll ever own that's not a standup
downside, no passengers, 9 gallon gas tank (range 40-45 miles ballpark)

other peppy models would be the gsx 787's ( i like them) and the gsxl (99 only, the 98 is hideously ugly)
 
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Thank's Leary.....that is a huge help and a great starting point to start looking. By the way I'm 35.

your welcome.

i started with a yami xl700 that crawled its way up to 50mph, and i was in pure heaven ! rode the piss out of it for almost 3 years before I even noticed that there were options out there.. I didn't care I loved it !

always remember that jet ski's can be like pool tables and hot tubs... you'll use them all the time for like 60 days, then 6 months later your wondering why you have this big eyesore in your garage. so keep that in mind, and most importantly....

if your budget is say $6000 max... then spend 5K on ski's and set aside 1K for repairs, maintenance, fuel misc...
don't buy 6.5 worth of ski's if your budget is 6, then get all upset when it costs $400 to fix something and you are tapped out..
go in ahead of time knowing that you might have just purchased somebody elses problem, you might get stuck with a pain in the azz ski until things get fixed, and go in under budget, so when it goes over budget you had some wiggle room.

(many people make that mistake assuming they can overspend, then run into engine issues and now they're freaking out because they bought a POS ski that doesn't run, but in reality, the problem is they left no wiggle room in the budget)

boat's break...

boat = bend over and take it :)

and a test ride, great idea !
(learning how to do a compression test as well)
and learn what to look for as far as issues, its been posted in depth before
 
posted by spim,
stay away from yami 800 powervalve engines, and GP 1200 models, but I like GP1300's.

I just want to clarify that it's the GP1200r that has the powervalve engine and it's reliability probably isn't up to Yamaha's reputation. The standard GP1200 model, 1997-1999 is fine. I've got a 1997 and it's been a great ski. Handles very well, is very stable, absolutely rips from the bottom end and tops out in the upper 50's on GPS on the big end. Some people complain about porpoising problems (mostly the 1998 model) but mine has no such issue.

Just a bit more info on the less reliable GP1200r. They are definitely faster than my standard GP1200. Not only that, they seem to command quite a bit higher asking price on the used market. They always seem to be a bit pricey.

spim, that was a great write up for anyone interested in this thread!
 
Hey Guys, I found another one on craigslist. Wanted to get your opinion on this Jet ski and if it's a fair deal or should I offer less.

http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/boa/3939804211.html

I would not buy that. You should be able to find a SC'ed RXP for close to that price.

I just passed on a 2006 RXP with 26 hours for $5,500. It sold in a day or two. Love that candy apple green (could do without the chrome accents)
 
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if your budget is say $6000 max... then spend 5K on ski's and set aside 1K for repairs, maintenance, fuel misc...
don't buy 6.5 worth of ski's if your budget is 6, then get all upset when it costs $400 to fix something and you are tapped out..

Great Advice! And remember these are toys so it should be disposable income you're spending on them.

And as other's have said, test drive, test drive, test drive.
 
posted by spim,


I just want to clarify that it's the GP1200r that has the powervalve engine and it's reliability probably isn't up to Yamaha's reputation. The standard GP1200 model, 1997-1999 is fine. I've got a 1997 and it's been a great ski. Handles very well, is very stable, absolutely rips from the bottom end and tops out in the upper 50's on GPS on the big end. Some people complain about porpoising problems (mostly the 1998 model) but mine has no such issue.

Just a bit more info on the less reliable GP1200r. They are definitely faster than my standard GP1200. Not only that, they seem to command quite a bit higher asking price on the used market. They always seem to be a bit pricey.

spim, that was a great write up for anyone interested in this thread!

thank you sir, thumb's up are always appreciated :)

and your right about the 1200's.. I'll admit i had only 1 ride for about 15 miles on a gp1200 and it was the porpoising that drove me nuts, i know it can be fixed with shim's washers, etc. but i felt like I was riding a horse ! (and a clumsy one at that).

I figured that remark might get a spark out of a 1200 owner and i didn't mean to be overly critical. I've also had to pay for a 1200 top end once and that wasn't fun, 3 cyl's mean extra cost.

Overall i'm still a big fan of the Yami's, (heck ! I own one !) for their stability and reliability, but when it comes to 'sport' models, i'm a fan of seadoo.

even comparing say the XL700 or Wave venture (well the venture is probably a bad comparison, it has those crappy sponsons) to a 787 GSX, the turning radius is quite pathetic by comparison. With that said however, my wife very much preferred the XL hull and its stability, it didn't try to toss her, turns were quite easy, and she never felt like the ski was getting away from her when turning at speed.

But when I did mangrove runs on my XL it got quite hairy in spots because I didn't get the response I needed last second to avoid getting clotheslined by a branch, on a gsx, or xp, i had no such issues. Some of the run's we do we're hitting a 6' gap at about 45mph, and my ski absolutely has to respond instantly to a steering adjustment or i'm getting injured.
 
Yes, the comparison to the Waveventure is not apples to apples and I'm not sure that the XL comparison is any better. Those are 3-seaters as far as I know which means they aren't going to be very sporty. The better comparison IMO is to the GP models (2-seaters.) The only one that I've got experience with is mine. It is very sporty and will carve corners and turns like a figure skater. Maybe not quite as agile as the '96 XPs that I've got (but what is??) Its, very, very sporty. Cuts and turns way better and tighter than my '94 WaveRaider. I'm really impressed with how well the GP1200 handles yet it is very stable as well. I have no idea how it can be both but it is. Not only that, its way powerful.

To the OP, I know it seems like we're hijacking your thread but I think that this discussion could help educate you on skis and their characteristics that you might not have considered.
 
SeaDoo buying season is just starting so good deals should be found starting in Aug. I wouldn't be afraid of the DIs. I like them a lot but have been working on them since they came out and have BUDS which helps. I'm north of Dayton up in St. Marys so someone who can fix them the right way isn't too far away.

That RXP transplant is interesting and the price isn't too bad. I wouldn't be afraid of it as long it you test drive it and it all checks out.
 
Yes, the comparison to the Waveventure is not apples to apples and I'm not sure that the XL comparison is any better. Those are 3-seaters as far as I know which means they aren't going to be very sporty. The better comparison IMO is to the GP models (2-seaters.) The only one that I've got experience with is mine. It is very sporty and will carve corners and turns like a figure skater. Maybe not quite as agile as the '96 XPs that I've got (but what is??) Its, very, very sporty. Cuts and turns way better and tighter than my '94 WaveRaider. I'm really impressed with how well the GP1200 handles yet it is very stable as well. I have no idea how it can be both but it is. Not only that, its way powerful.

To the OP, I know it seems like we're hijacking your thread but I think that this discussion could help educate you on skis and their characteristics that you might not have considered.


No not at all. If anything, any conversation in this thread is going to help me out tremendously.
 
I don't know... That non SC motor might not move that ski as quick as it should. Then you have the issue with who put it in, did the do it correctly, has it been maintained,why did the original 4 tech fail. It could be someone else's problem they are trying to dump off

They made the RXP without the super charger for a year or two. Like the Mustangs that have V6s
 
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