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EGR in a 2-Stroke

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I am just curious why exhaust gases do not push out into the engine block at the end of the power stroke. And how is it possible for intake air to fill the bottle in time before the piston moves up the cylinder and closes off the intake. There must be a ton of EGR in 2-strokes!

-From the 4-stroke minded newby.
 
I am just curious why exhaust gases do not push out into the engine block at the end of the power stroke. And how is it possible for intake air to fill the bottle in time before the piston moves up the cylinder and closes off the intake. There must be a ton of EGR in 2-strokes!

-From the 4-stroke minded newby.

Oh yes there is, an entire art in itself, designing the port layout and exhaust system to scavenge exhaust without losing the air:fuel charge. You've been reading Gordon Jennings again, haven't you?

http://edj.net/2stroke/jennings/2stroketunershandbook.pdf
 
Here's the deal......



PISTON GOES UP: That draws air/fuel into the lower half.

PISTON GOES DOWN: the intake valve closes. as the piston goes down, it compresses the charge in the lower. Eventually... the exhaust port opens first, and that relives the cyl pressure. Then the "Bypass" ports open. Since the lower is now under pressure (about 5~7psi) It's pushed into the cyl, and forces out the rest of the exhaust.


So... there is a lot less mixing of exhaust gases than you would think.


This is also why we watch compression closer than a 4-stroke. When the rings start to leak down... you displace the fresh charge coming in.. and the engine goes lean. Couple that with the heat generated... and the engine will quickly eat itself.
 
what we need is a way to lube the system without burning oil... a 2 stroke that doesn't burn oil would produce the HP to weight we need, and offer less pollution...
 
Here's the deal......



PISTON GOES UP: That draws air/fuel into the lower half.

PISTON GOES DOWN: the intake valve closes. as the piston goes down, it compresses the charge in the lower. Eventually... the exhaust port opens first, and that relives the cyl pressure. Then the "Bypass" ports open. Since the lower is now under pressure (about 5~7psi) It's pushed into the cyl, and forces out the rest of the exhaust.


So... there is a lot less mixing of exhaust gases than you would think.


This is also why we watch compression closer than a 4-stroke. When the rings start to leak down... you displace the fresh charge coming in.. and the engine goes lean. Couple that with the heat generated... and the engine will quickly eat itself.

Some of the fresh charge is lost into the exhaust, and the sonic wave produced in the cone pipe pushes that charge back into the cylinder. Also, as the charge is delivered to the cylinder, the goal is to have it directed to the top of the cylinder to displace the spent charge as it leaves the exhaust port without loosing the fresh charge out of the exhaust port.

There's an art to getting it all right and balanced, timed, etc. port size, timing, location, all involved, along with sonic/harmonic length of cone pipe which on the skis is adjusted by the amount of water in the pipe, etc.

Unfortunately, in order for them to run correctly, both unburned oil and fuel are still lost to the exhaust, which presents a huge problem in terms of meeting EPA requirements.

The BRP E-TEC, wow, those things are IMO nothing short of incredible engines, took a lot of effort to get there, a road full of pot holes.

So much of the cool old 2 stroke stuff has disappeared, such as the aquascooter. (Can't believe I just posted that!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_scooter

Not that anything will ever come of it, but what do you guys think of a rotary engine powered surfboard that "meets EPA requirements"?

http://www.deckjetwatercraft.com/xboard/
 
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That aqua scooter looks less than comfortable.

LOL, maybe you're talking about the 2 stroke engine air intake snorkel tube that must stay above water. It has two handle grips on either side in the front and the engine runs submerged under water beneath your chest, the exhaust comes out under water and will smother you if you hold it too far in front of you.

10~15 miles you can go at about 5mph, on one tank of fuel, some divers use these to travel to their diving spot.
 
Ok. Thanks to all of you for taking the time and pointing out the air flow of the air pump we all call ICE (Internal Combustion Engine). This thread can now be closed.
 
what we need is a way to lube the system without burning oil... a 2 stroke that doesn't burn oil would produce the HP to weight we need, and offer less pollution...

Well.... you really can't.

The reason is... since the ports are part of the cyl.... and since you need oil on the piston and cyl walls... there will eventually be a mix. But with that said... engines like the BRP E-tec use a VERY small amount of oil, and will run as lean as 200:1 at idle... they have emissions very near a 4-stroke engine. (That's why they are still allowed by the EPA)

But... the down side is... they are a very complex, fuel injected engine. And, for the size/weight/price... they don't put out the power like our 720's or 800 engines. So... at that point, it would make the ski the same price as the 4-tec's.



With that said.........


There is an old style engine, that uses a supercharger, and an exhaust valve, that is a 2-stroke. It's how a Detroit Diesel works. So yes... old-school city buses were 2-stroke diesels!! But to my knowledge, it was never adapted as a gas version. And, since you now have a cam, valves, and a supercharger.... it's not a "Simple" engien.
 
I still have two of the old original Aqua Scooters in their orange cases. I have not used them in a few years.
 
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