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97 gtx EXTREME...backfire...WTF?

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YouCanDooIt

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Just dropped another motor in my 97 GTX. Went to start, turned the engine over several times with choke to prime gas through the lines, and it started for a few seconds and stopped. I pulled the choke and hit the start button again, and BOOM!! Huge, loud ass backfire out the exhaust. When I say loud I mean shotgun blast X2, ears still ringing an hour later, wife running out of the house in a towel screaming "wtf was that" loud! Needles to say my butt hole was puckered, and my wife said I looked like a scared puppy when she ran out.

After calming down and having myself a cold one, I went outside to see exactly what went wrong. After looking the ski over a bit, I noticed my water box looked pregnant. The blast expanded out the side of the water box, and blew a hole in the exhaust hose, and pulled the hose right off the exhaust outlet!

The motor was from a ski with a burnt pto side piston, I put a fresh top end on the engine, and didn't touch the bottom end. The GTX was running at the end of last season, but the compression was low and the crank seals were leaking pretty bad. I do not think it is a timing issue, simply because I did not mess with anything in the bottom end of the motor, and as I said the gtx was not having any ignition or timing problems last season. I will say this, some how I forgot to fill the tank up when winterizing it, but I know i put stabil in the tank. Also the ski has been sitting in my garage up until about two months ago.

I am wondering if a critter climbed up into the water box and made a nest blocking it somehow? however, when the ski started up and ran for a few seconds, the normal blue smoke was coming from the exhaust outlet. Maybe bad gas or carbs filling the crankcase somehow? I don't really think bad fuel would cause such a strong backfire? I have a extra waterbox and hose lying around, but I am afraid I will destroy them too, so I want to make sure I have this figured out before I try starting it again. Any body have ideas on what could cause such a thing?
 
sounds like you should have pushed the choke back in after it kicked over the first time. probably fuel built up in the exhaust and fired off. if it does it all the time, i'd look at the timing to see if something is off.
 
Damn I've never seen a backfire blow tubes out and expand a waterbox. You have any pictures if the waterbox. I had a 96 Gti that I let sit for a few years. I pretty much did the same thing cranking it and it let out a dam Boooom. I thought it blew the windows out of my jeep
 
Here are some pictures I snapped. The water box is hard to tell how much it is bowed by this picture, but I compared it to the other one I have and it is pretty wild the difference. I believe if the weld was the least bit weak in that area it would have busted open. Also I noticed the exhaust outlet has more damage than I first realized, several pieces broke off the end and there is a crack going all the way through it. Luckily I do have a spare one of those too.





I tried to start it again, using the same waterpipe and hose (yes even with huge hole in hose lol). It idled very rough but did run for a few seconds longer then the first time, but had a light backfire and died. I pulled the plugs and it did spray a mist of gas/oil out of the cyl's. I let it set a few minutes, put plugs back in, and boom it happened again. Every bit as loud as the first one, but I was kinda expecting it this time, so i didn't piss myself.

I still have not determined whether or not the gas is bad, but I do feel more like it has something to do with timing. I still find it weird the timing would be off, mechanicaly the engine I used had never been touched from the factory. Where should I start first RV? I just dread pulling the damn thing out to check it!
 
" When I say loud I mean shotgun blast X2, ears still ringing an hour later, wife running out of the house in a towel screaming "wtf was that" loud! Needles to say my butt hole was puckered, and my wife said I looked like a scared puppy when she ran out. "
im sorry ur havin troubles man,but,this caught me by surprise,laughed so hard i spewed mtn dew all over the keyboard!
have u by any chance checked the crank phasing? if the crank twisted a bit,it could fire with the exhaust port open,,INSTANT PISS UR PANTS.
any chance of the magneto/flywheel being different,beins that it came out of a different ski,,,maybe? firing different?
 
im sorry ur havin troubles man,but,this caught me by surprise,laughed so hard i spewed mtn dew all over the keyboard!
have u by any chance checked the crank phasing? if the crank twisted a bit,it could fire with the exhaust port open,,INSTANT PISS UR PANTS.
any chance of the magneto/flywheel being different,beins that it came out of a different ski,,,maybe? firing different?

Ha, well I'm glad you got a good laugh out of it, it was pretty funny. I wish I had a video of myself, it would have been priceless lol.

Those are good points, I will try and check them this evening.I did pull the motor from a 97 SPX, so it could be the mag/flywheel is different. To be honest I never really thought about the 787's mag's being different, figured they were all the same. I do have the mag/fly from the motor that was in the ski, I could always switch them out. I'm mainly dreading pulling the damn motor out again.

Does anybody happen to know for sure if the flywheel and mag were the same or different for these skis?
 
I'm in the air flying or I would look for you.

See if the part numbers are the same. When it comes to ignition items, such as flywheels and what not, it is not uncommon for there to be subtle differences. Balance and weight is very specific for flywheels as it corrects or counter acts the balance of the engine. Both the physical balance as well as combustion.


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I just checked the parts numbers and everything matches so I should be good there. Is there anyway to check crankshaft phasing with the motor intact? or will I have to remove the crankshaft from the engine?
 
I just checked the parts numbers and everything matches so I should be good there. Is there anyway to check crankshaft phasing with the motor intact? or will I have to remove the crankshaft from the engine?

That one is above my pay grade,,,

I do not know enough about our specific engines just yet to answer that. I Lou or Tony don't answer this let me know and I'll make sure they see the post.

There are others, but I am still learning names/screen names.


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