I've got a problem which the dealer calls normal. My new 2012 GTI 155 Ltd runs great, motor wise, but while accelerating from 10 mph to 30 mph my GTI leans to port about 10 or 12 degrees. After discussing this with the dealer, he states this is normal and nothing can be done. They tested it in-water twice and could not get it to lean over. I convinced him to let me go along while he tested it. I told the tech that it would not track in a straight line and that he had to pick a target on a distant shore and head for it. He returned and finally he said, "damn your right". He said it leaned from 10 to 30 mph and righted itself after 30. Still the dealer said it was normal operation. They tried another new GTI 155 and it did the same thing. I ride with an older bunch at 20 to 30 mph and it's not unusual to cover 40 or 50 miles per trip and i'd have to put up with the 12 degree list. We've checked everything on the hull and now I'm wondering if the GTI 130 has the same abnormality. I'm trying to get them to test one. Am I the only one that has this crazy problem..? Also my codes dumped twice within two weeks; it would not shift. Had to pull it out and trailer it four times to the dealer to re-install the codes and water test for listing I'm afraid to ride alone thinking it will happen again in the middle of the lake. Anyone having similar dumping problems..? Help me out. I need more hard info before going up against the dealer. He refused to give me any problem info from other customers. I can't believe Bombardier would market this hull knowing this problem existed.
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2012 GTI 155 Ltd dumping codes and listing to port.
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I've got a problem which the dealer calls normal. My new 2012 GTI 155 Ltd runs great, motor wise, but while accelerating from 10 mph to 30 mph my GTI leans to port about 10 or 12 degrees. After discussing this with the dealer, he states this is normal and nothing can be done. They tested it in-water twice and could not get it to lean over. I convinced him to let me go along while he tested it. I told the tech that it would not track in a straight line and that he had to pick a target on a distant shore and head for it. He returned and finally he said, "damn your right". He said it leaned from 10 to 30 mph and righted itself after 30. Still the dealer said it was normal operation. They tried another new GTI 155 and it did the same thing. I ride with an older bunch at 20 to 30 mph and it's not unusual to cover 40 or 50 miles per trip and i'd have to put up with the 12 degree list. We've checked everything on the hull and now I'm wondering if the GTI 130 has the same abnormality. I'm trying to get them to test one. Am I the only one that has this crazy problem..? Also my codes dumped twice within two weeks; it would not shift. Had to pull it out and trailer it four times to the dealer to re-install the codes and water test for listing I'm afraid to ride alone thinking it will happen again in the middle of the lake. Anyone having similar dumping problems..? Help me out. I need more hard info before going up against the dealer. He refused to give me any problem info from other customers. I can't believe Bombardier would market this hull knowing this problem existed.
Chucked:
Not so. The dealer tried to tell me that so went out again and found that around 13 mph it is well up on plane and steady....but listing. I also have a 2008 GTI 130 which tracks straight as an arrow with no listing at all. It seems they have a design flaw in this hull but are telling people that every movement that can't be explained is "normal". I'm trying to find out if the hp ratings in the motors might make a difference. When a customer pays over $10k for one of these units, he should be able to cruise at any speed he desires and not have to fight it for 30 miles.
Jimmyd
Not so. The dealer tried to tell me that so went out again and found that around 13 mph it is well up on plane and steady....but listing. I also have a 2008 GTI 130 which tracks straight as an arrow with no listing at all. It seems they have a design flaw in this hull but are telling people that every movement that can't be explained is "normal". I'm trying to find out if the hp ratings in the motors might make a difference. When a customer pays over $10k for one of these units, he should be able to cruise at any speed he desires and not have to fight it for 30 miles.
Jimmyd
Code_Warrior
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I have the 2012 GTI 130 SE and I have noticed a similar thing but it is not always to the same side. I turn the handlebar slightly opposite to the lean to compensate and it rights itself. Until now I assumed it was the result of the waves pushing it when going slow so I never really questioned it. I did mess with the trim to see if I could compensate, but it didn't help.
Is it possible that the sponsons have something to do with it? If the lean starts and one sponson is closer to the surface of the water than the other would there be a tendency for the deeper sponson to pull down a little harder and make it worse? Are the sponsons adjustable? I haven't looked at mine, but my guess is that they're fixed in position.
Is it possible that the sponsons have something to do with it? If the lean starts and one sponson is closer to the surface of the water than the other would there be a tendency for the deeper sponson to pull down a little harder and make it worse? Are the sponsons adjustable? I haven't looked at mine, but my guess is that they're fixed in position.
We checked the sponsons and both were equally spaced so it couldn't be them. I was reading the test reports from pwc magazines and one mentioned a portion of the hull's bottom was slightly concave. I believe there is a defect in the design of the hull and Bombardier & their dealers are calling it "normal" (that's what they told me) to avoid lawsuits. I think it's something we're going to have to live with.
Have you had a problem with the machine dumping it's codes and not being able to shift it ?? It's happened four times to me.
JimmyD
Have you had a problem with the machine dumping it's codes and not being able to shift it ?? It's happened four times to me.
JimmyD
Sea Doo Serpent
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Hi Jimmy D
You are not crazy,I own a 2011 GTISE which has a list to port since day one.It has been back to the dealer 4 times and they tell you it is a steering adjustment. After hitting a large wake last summer this unit lay heavily to the left side and almost killed the three riders .This year it has performed the same. So I took the liberty of having some pros drive this thing and they have all said replace the unit there is a design flaw for sure.Hope this helps.
Ken
You are not crazy,I own a 2011 GTISE which has a list to port since day one.It has been back to the dealer 4 times and they tell you it is a steering adjustment. After hitting a large wake last summer this unit lay heavily to the left side and almost killed the three riders .This year it has performed the same. So I took the liberty of having some pros drive this thing and they have all said replace the unit there is a design flaw for sure.Hope this helps.
Ken
That's what the dealer told me, trying to convince me that you have to go at least 30 to make it plane...! BS It starts on plane at 10 and is fully on plane at 20. You could plane it out even more by putting the nose down. I don't want a court fight with Bombardier but right now i'm stuck with it if I want to set my cruise control at 25..!
It was good to hear from you. Since my dealer tried a new (out of the box) unit GTI 155 Ltd, it also leaned to port so therefore they are classifying it as "normal". We have a serious problem but I believe the dealers don't want to open a pandora's box so they are telling everyone to ignore it and go faster. There must be thousands with this problem. more
qsilver23t
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This is just a random theory based on my knowledge of physics and fluid dynamics, but it could be listing due to the torque from the the impeller. When the impeller spins during acceleration through the lower speeds the hull wants to anti-torque, or spin the opposite direction. Propeller airplanes have the same problem, at low speeds and high RPMs the airplane will physically turn opposite the propeller. So until you get the ski up to speeds where it stabilizes, it will resist the impeller torque. Obviously if this is the case, there is not a whole lot you can do about it, unless you put a larger sponson on the port side, but that would affect the performance at high speeds.
Call me crazy if you want, just my two cents.... :leaving:
Call me crazy if you want, just my two cents.... :leaving:
Prop torque (impeller) and the hull itself was considered and mentioned to the dealer but they refuse to admit to any "flaw" in the hull or mechanism because they won't or cannot explain it. As I dig deeper into this, I find that many of the hulls lean to port. I asked to have a GTI 130 tested instead of the one they picked sim to my 155 because of the possibility of less torque through the speed range in
question. The answer was No. I believe i'm going to have to live with this choice. Thanks for the info. It would be helpful to hear from someone who has a new GTI 130 and has tested it in a straight line course.
question. The answer was No. I believe i'm going to have to live with this choice. Thanks for the info. It would be helpful to hear from someone who has a new GTI 130 and has tested it in a straight line course.
qsilver23t
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Not necessarily, smaller skis would definitely be more prone to it. It would depend on hull shape, size, and sponson size. Also, the vanes do not adjust, and could only be positioned for optimum speeds.
Thanks for the info. I had this one in the shop three times before they determined it wasn't a steering problem. But they won't admit to the defect even after their supvr tech told management it did list to port and no shifting of weight or steering adjustment would rectify the problem.
JimmyD
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Piper Mike
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I am strongly considering a 2012 GTI 130 SE. Maybe i shouldnt after reading this thread ???
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Hey Piper Mike. The best advice I can give you is ride the machine before you put money down. The code problem can ultimately be resolved by replacing the module if it comes to that. But listing to port while trying to maintain a straight course is something that the dealers don't like to talk about and they'll tell you it's normal operation at slower speeds but no one,not even the factory, can tell you why it lists. Do youself a big favor and insist you drive the actual machine you wish to purchase. If they are reluctant, or want you to try a different model, beware..!!
Hey Piper Mike. The best advice I can give you is ride the machine before you put money down. The code problem can ultimately be resolved by replacing the module if it comes to that. But listing to port while trying to maintain a straight course is something that the dealers don't like to talk about and they'll tell you it's normal operation at slower speeds but no one,not even the factory, can tell you why it lists. Do youself a big favor and insist you drive the actual machine you wish to purchase. If they are reluctant, or want you to try a different model, beware..!!
Piper Mike
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Is this affecting all GTI's ?
Im not too worried about it. seems like only 1 person has this issue and one person has it but isnt too concerned about it.
Im not too worried about it. seems like only 1 person has this issue and one person has it but isnt too concerned about it.
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If you do a search here at the forum you will find the leaning issue mentioned many times.
I have been trying to follow it just to earn. The one thing that seems to keep coming back is the hull more so than any other item.
What I would like to see is, list the tye of ski you have if you have the problem as well as the year. If we can get a common issue such as a 3-year sread and all the same hull type, then I would think it could get isolated down and you very well may get Sea Doo to do something about it as the potential to be a class-action concern would be very prevalent...
I have been trying to follow it just to earn. The one thing that seems to keep coming back is the hull more so than any other item.
What I would like to see is, list the tye of ski you have if you have the problem as well as the year. If we can get a common issue such as a 3-year sread and all the same hull type, then I would think it could get isolated down and you very well may get Sea Doo to do something about it as the potential to be a class-action concern would be very prevalent...
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