trapperjack1
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why didnt he hook up the water to it and run it and see if its leakin,
if not fill the hull with water and stand back and watch:toetap05:
if not fill the hull with water and stand back and watch:toetap05:
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2010 RXT nearly sank today
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Michael211_2000
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If you know where to find Peyton10 then please go ask him that and let us know. He was a 1 poster and never came back here, so we may never know. ps. His hull WAS full of water already according to his only post, I presume he must have looked under it at some point while it was draining to see if there were any unexplained drips... I would have.
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Every yamaha Ive ever seen has blown up and sank. My friend had one
trapperjack1
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what does insurance cost on these, never had it been lucky so far
but dont want to push my luck
trapperjack1
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your right on that, mine is an 04 and i just got done paintin it
new 2011 rxp-x seat and see looks mint
new 2011 rxp-x seat and see looks mint
Peyton10 and sinking Seadoo
Hi Guys! Peyton10 here in Texas. Yes my Seadoo sank like a rock with just the tip of the nose and handlebars sticking out of the water. To make a long story shorter, the shop here in Dallas "fixed" it two times. I took it to the lake and it sank TWO more times within 60 seconds of being in the water (3 times total). Finally I said fix the damn thing and take it to the lake and see if it sinks on you. They "fixed" it a 4th time and it sank on the mechanic in 30 seconds! The last time they took it to the lake was with every single piece of cosmetics taken off. I mean it was literally the hull, engine and handle bars sitting in the water. No water in hull just sitting there. But the second you hit the gas water just came flooding into the hull through the carbon ring at the shaft. I mean like a water pump! The faster you went the faster it pumped water into the hull. They did this on the trailer and the hull was literally filled with water in 20 seconds.
Why do I think this happened? The shop never admitted it, but just prior to all my problems I had had them install a high performance Solis prop. The shop told me, after we finally realized what was happening, that my drive shaft was bent and that I must have hit something. I immediately called bullshit on that because my 5 year old son is ALWAYS on my Seadoo with me and we literally go 20-30mph out in the middle of the lake and have never hit ANYTHING and there is not a single scratch on the bottom of the Seadoo anywhere. They said maybe I sucked a big stick up in there that bent the drive shaft. I caledl BS on that one also. I proposed a different theory to them after talking with the people at PPG. When you put in my new prop you did not correctly align the drive shaft when you put everything back together. They denied that but I told them I had spoken to the techs at PPG and they had said that may be a very likely cause of the carbon ring failing. In the end, despite my Seadoo sinking with engine completely under water 3 times my shop warrantied all the work 100% including taking it out to the lake for testing, replacing the bent shaft, and drying out the engine multiple times. They had my Seadoo for the last 6 weeks of summer in the shop "fixing" it. After drive shaft replaced in late Sept, no issues whatsoever all through Oct and some of Nov. Got it summerized this past weekend and took it out. Runs great, no sinking...72 mph!
Hi Guys! Peyton10 here in Texas. Yes my Seadoo sank like a rock with just the tip of the nose and handlebars sticking out of the water. To make a long story shorter, the shop here in Dallas "fixed" it two times. I took it to the lake and it sank TWO more times within 60 seconds of being in the water (3 times total). Finally I said fix the damn thing and take it to the lake and see if it sinks on you. They "fixed" it a 4th time and it sank on the mechanic in 30 seconds! The last time they took it to the lake was with every single piece of cosmetics taken off. I mean it was literally the hull, engine and handle bars sitting in the water. No water in hull just sitting there. But the second you hit the gas water just came flooding into the hull through the carbon ring at the shaft. I mean like a water pump! The faster you went the faster it pumped water into the hull. They did this on the trailer and the hull was literally filled with water in 20 seconds.
Why do I think this happened? The shop never admitted it, but just prior to all my problems I had had them install a high performance Solis prop. The shop told me, after we finally realized what was happening, that my drive shaft was bent and that I must have hit something. I immediately called bullshit on that because my 5 year old son is ALWAYS on my Seadoo with me and we literally go 20-30mph out in the middle of the lake and have never hit ANYTHING and there is not a single scratch on the bottom of the Seadoo anywhere. They said maybe I sucked a big stick up in there that bent the drive shaft. I caledl BS on that one also. I proposed a different theory to them after talking with the people at PPG. When you put in my new prop you did not correctly align the drive shaft when you put everything back together. They denied that but I told them I had spoken to the techs at PPG and they had said that may be a very likely cause of the carbon ring failing. In the end, despite my Seadoo sinking with engine completely under water 3 times my shop warrantied all the work 100% including taking it out to the lake for testing, replacing the bent shaft, and drying out the engine multiple times. They had my Seadoo for the last 6 weeks of summer in the shop "fixing" it. After drive shaft replaced in late Sept, no issues whatsoever all through Oct and some of Nov. Got it summerized this past weekend and took it out. Runs great, no sinking...72 mph!
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Got it!
We spent the extra $1,000 when we bought it for the 5 year extended warranty. That paid for itself and then some Un one visit!
Glad to hear it. Sorry for all your troubles. Now, if you don't have insurance on it, get it. And let it hit the bottom next time
We spent the extra $1,000 when we bought it for the 5 year extended warranty. That paid for itself and then some Un one visit!
rotaxrule1
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Nice work!
rotaxrule1
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Wrong forum for those kind of comments
Aww...give the guy a break. He probably bought a yawn-aha and is butt-hurt now.
Michael211_2000
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Oh! You finally came back Peyton (I didn't get a notification on this thread for some reason)... thank you very much for the update I'd been wondering whatever happened on your issue. That shaft must have been seriously bent to make the carbon ring seal leak like that! Wow! There's no way a stick did that kind of damage, that shaft must have been defective from the factory it'd take a massive force to bend the driveshaft like that. Weird! Glad to hear it's fixed and you're having a much better summer this year! Enjoy!
- Michael
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toledobendguy
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I kno this thread is kinda old but o well.
I recently purchased a 2012 gti se130 and my bro got an 09 Gtx 255 with the IS. With only 15 hrs on it, the gtx would drop the rpm down when going about 60 or around 7500-8500 rpm. Well I picked it up to test drive it and see if it was fixed and it wasn't (not the point) . So I parked it in the boat stall for a week or so. I come down and discover the engine is nearly full of water. It runs fine besides the problem mentioned aboved. On my gti, the left plug doesnt get plugged( "bilge hole", plz correct if wrong. Well his drain plug wasnt plugged so im guessing thats why it almost sank?? Neways, I took it out, got all the water out and park it. I come to check on it like a week later. It was almost filled with water again with all plugs out. The only thing I could think of was the IS letting water in. So that's how I ended up here. It's def not a myth. I am wondering if it was the IS or the drain plug that almost caused it to sink.
Also, It was bought used, sitting outside. If the IS is in fact the problem then it would of happened on there lot. From what I hear, there is a way they can tell if water was in the engine comp and could void warranty if it was??? There is no way we were the 1st to leave the jetski outside and have water in the engine. So my question is... Who checks for that? When the dealer bought it did they? I am suppose to be responsable for it???
My name is Steven btw.
Hi fellow members
I recently purchased a 2012 gti se130 and my bro got an 09 Gtx 255 with the IS. With only 15 hrs on it, the gtx would drop the rpm down when going about 60 or around 7500-8500 rpm. Well I picked it up to test drive it and see if it was fixed and it wasn't (not the point) . So I parked it in the boat stall for a week or so. I come down and discover the engine is nearly full of water. It runs fine besides the problem mentioned aboved. On my gti, the left plug doesnt get plugged( "bilge hole", plz correct if wrong. Well his drain plug wasnt plugged so im guessing thats why it almost sank?? Neways, I took it out, got all the water out and park it. I come to check on it like a week later. It was almost filled with water again with all plugs out. The only thing I could think of was the IS letting water in. So that's how I ended up here. It's def not a myth. I am wondering if it was the IS or the drain plug that almost caused it to sink.
Also, It was bought used, sitting outside. If the IS is in fact the problem then it would of happened on there lot. From what I hear, there is a way they can tell if water was in the engine comp and could void warranty if it was??? There is no way we were the 1st to leave the jetski outside and have water in the engine. So my question is... Who checks for that? When the dealer bought it did they? I am suppose to be responsable for it???
My name is Steven btw.
Hi fellow members
Michael211_2000
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Steven you're not making a lot of sense in your post... you say the engine was nearly full of water, but I suspect you're actually talking about the hull being nearly full of water not the engine itself. Mainly because it *wouldn't* "run fine" if the engine had been nearly filled with water, it wouldn't have run at all in fact!
If they're sitting in the water then YES the drain cock's (1 on either side of the jetpump) MUST be screwed in (ie. closed!). Otherwise water can seep into the hull thru the drains. It is not clear if you had them floating in the water in the boat stall for a week, or lifted up in a lift in the boat stall for a week... if you had them floating in the water for a week unattended that's just asking for problems Steven!
So can you please clarify: Did the engine nearly fill up with water or did the hull nearly fill up with water? Were the drain cock's closed or open, and were they left floating in a boat stall for a week or were they lifted out of the water in a boat stall for a week?
ps. I've read those later models with the hatches built into the rear deck leak, the lid hatches are "water-resistant" not "water-proof". As such, if waves are lapping over the back of the hull while tied at dock or boat stall or if left outside in frequent rains water can enter the hull thru those hatche lids.
- Michael
If they're sitting in the water then YES the drain cock's (1 on either side of the jetpump) MUST be screwed in (ie. closed!). Otherwise water can seep into the hull thru the drains. It is not clear if you had them floating in the water in the boat stall for a week, or lifted up in a lift in the boat stall for a week... if you had them floating in the water for a week unattended that's just asking for problems Steven!
So can you please clarify: Did the engine nearly fill up with water or did the hull nearly fill up with water? Were the drain cock's closed or open, and were they left floating in a boat stall for a week or were they lifted out of the water in a boat stall for a week?
ps. I've read those later models with the hatches built into the rear deck leak, the lid hatches are "water-resistant" not "water-proof". As such, if waves are lapping over the back of the hull while tied at dock or boat stall or if left outside in frequent rains water can enter the hull thru those hatche lids.
- Michael
Your Carbon Ring failed around the drive shaft. You can hook it to the water hose on the trailer, fill the hull with water with plugs in and no water will leak out. Put it in the lake and let it float...nothing. Give it gas while in the lake and it will suck water into the hull like a Dyson vacuum cleaner through the failed carbon ring. If your shop does not take it to the lake to test they will miss the problem. My shop missed it 3 times and it sank THREE times despite being "fixed". Good Luck! Gald you had the insurance. I had it too. Fixed free.
Michael211_2000
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Peyton you said previously that your shop finally determined that your driveshaft was bent (for whatever reason) and after they replaced your driveshaft it stopped sinking everytime you took it out for a ride... now you're saying it was your carbon seal that had failed and was the real problem?
I'm lost here now! LOL! And to which post were you responding to, Steven's or somebody else on this thread?
How was your summer? It's been fabulous down here I've been to Lake Livingston almost every weekend this summer my RXT has been a blast! Going again in the morning, supposed to be calm winds and high's near 90F Saturday then that cold front comes thru later in the evening so Sunday will be a no-go but oh well there'll be next weekend still... God Bless Texas!
- Michael
I'm lost here now! LOL! And to which post were you responding to, Steven's or somebody else on this thread?
How was your summer? It's been fabulous down here I've been to Lake Livingston almost every weekend this summer my RXT has been a blast! Going again in the morning, supposed to be calm winds and high's near 90F Saturday then that cold front comes thru later in the evening so Sunday will be a no-go but oh well there'll be next weekend still... God Bless Texas!
- Michael
Carbon ring failed so they said. Both times, summer of 2011 and summer 2012, they had my unit for 6 weeks. Ridiculous. But when I took it in both times after it had issues the said each time "Damn! What did you hit? Your drive shaft is bent." I didn't hit S*%$!!! I fart around in the middle of a very clean lake here in Dallas with my 5 year old on board all the time. Called PPG and they said you can suck all kinds of crap through your waer ring and not bend a drive shaft. Said about the only thing you can bend a shaft with is sucking and rope up in their and it gets lodged and completely stops the impellar. In 2011 they took my back in the work bay and spun the impellar and the drive shaft was definitely bent. PPG said even a slight bent shaft can cause a carbon ring to fail. Who knows. It's cold as crap here in Dallas right now. Front is sitting right on top of us. I'm hoping to get out a few more weekends before I winterize. Took it out last year until the water temp hit around 68. Then it was just too dang cold to dump in the water from the trailer and swim out to.
Michael211_2000
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Ohhh! So you had problems with it again this year too then?
Your problems as I understood it started last summer and culminated in the diagnosis of a bent driveshaft, though it was impossible to tell what had bent it or when exactly. They put a new driveshaft in and it ran fine afterwards.... am I understanding correct? So what happened with it this summer then?
A bent driveshaft shouldn't actually harm the carbon-ring seal, it just makes it not work correctly as the seal will open-up under rpm's as the stainless ring part of the seal will wobble around with the bent shaft it's attached to (the carbon ring part won't be able to keep up with the wobble, causing gaps in the seal to form as the rpm's increase). I'd suspect a good deal of vibration would be felt if it didn't sink almost instantly...
I cannot fathom a rope wrapping around the driveshaft causing it to bend, not unless you're *really* hard on the throttle when it happens but I would have expected further damage if that was the case (ie. stripped splines in the PTO). I also cannot imagine them being able to force the pump on with the splines not aligned correctly, they would have pulled the hull studs out of the fiberglass 1st IMHO. The bent driveshaft really stumps me.
Did you ever get yourself an automatice electric bilge pump installed? Mine's never kicked on, which is perfect since that means my hull has never taken on any significant amount of water this is a good thing!
- Michael
Your problems as I understood it started last summer and culminated in the diagnosis of a bent driveshaft, though it was impossible to tell what had bent it or when exactly. They put a new driveshaft in and it ran fine afterwards.... am I understanding correct? So what happened with it this summer then?
A bent driveshaft shouldn't actually harm the carbon-ring seal, it just makes it not work correctly as the seal will open-up under rpm's as the stainless ring part of the seal will wobble around with the bent shaft it's attached to (the carbon ring part won't be able to keep up with the wobble, causing gaps in the seal to form as the rpm's increase). I'd suspect a good deal of vibration would be felt if it didn't sink almost instantly...
I cannot fathom a rope wrapping around the driveshaft causing it to bend, not unless you're *really* hard on the throttle when it happens but I would have expected further damage if that was the case (ie. stripped splines in the PTO). I also cannot imagine them being able to force the pump on with the splines not aligned correctly, they would have pulled the hull studs out of the fiberglass 1st IMHO. The bent driveshaft really stumps me.
Did you ever get yourself an automatice electric bilge pump installed? Mine's never kicked on, which is perfect since that means my hull has never taken on any significant amount of water this is a good thing!
- Michael
toledobendguy
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The engine compartment was about i think halfway over the SC . im pretty sure the hull was full but I'm just going off what my bro told me. It wasn't unattended. I was here but just didnt notice it. Since his was messed up, i didnt ride it at all. I knew his jetski sat lower than mine but I didn think much of it. On my the left side is a bilge so I dnt have to plus mine. I figured his was the same. We r both first time jetski owners.
One thing that I don't think was mentioned,,,
When you tow a ski there is a hose that needs to be piched/clamped off. If not, it allows water to enter the engine.
I assume this is true with the jet boats as well but not sure of that...
When you tow a ski there is a hose that needs to be piched/clamped off. If not, it allows water to enter the engine.
I assume this is true with the jet boats as well but not sure of that...
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Michael211_2000
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I have no idea what you're saying... I give up on this one. Regards and best wishes. :-\
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