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Arkansan

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Dear Dr. Honda, Lou, et al. My husband and I bought a working 1998 Sportster 1800 in February and spent the spring getting it spiffed up. Dr. Honda's vinyl registrations numbers look super! But when it came time to get it out on the lake, it wouldn't start. We took it to a Seadoo dealer, who said the carb needle was stuck -- and also advised us that we needed a new throttle cable on the right engine pronto because the throttle was sticking open. We took the repaired boat out and had a blast. It was exactly the experience we hoped for when we bought it. We love the boat! The next weekend, we went out again, and everything started fine -- then the throttle on the left engine seemed to stick open and then it just died and wouldn't start again at all. In total, we had about 3 great hours on the water after the throttle repair.

We limped back to the launch on the right engine, loaded up the boat and took it back to the same Seadoo-certified mechanic. That was on Memorial Day. The next day, we got the news: It needed a new engine, which would cost $1,200 plus $800 for labor. And it would take 3-4 weeks to repair. What choice did we have?

Yesterday -- at least 10 days after authorizing the repair -- a girl from the shop called to say she needed a $750 deposit before ordering the engine. I didn't object to the deposit, but since no deposit was mentioned earlier, I asked if this meant the repair had been delayed. She said she didn't know, she was just supposed to call about getting the money. I authorized the deposit then sent an email asking whether the delay in getting the deposit meant a delay in the repair. A little while later the mechanic called and fired me as a customer because of the "tone" of my email. (It was a straightforward question about the schedule since the person who called me didn't know the answer. No demands, no accusations, no profanity!) He told us to come and get our boat off his lot, which we did as quickly as we could. I am still furious.

The manager has since acknowledged that the "main" reason for refusing to do the repair was because it was a time-consuming job at a busy time of year, and that the mechanic never should have agreed to do it. (Ah-ha. My email was just an excuse to undo their mistake.) Then she told me that the boat wasn't worth fixing and that we should buy a new one instead. Duh. If we could justify the cost of a new boat, we would not have bought a 1998 model! Now we have the boat back home, and we will certainly get a second and maybe a third opinion. But what do you guys think? If the entire engine does need to be replaced, is it not worth doing? And what price range would be fair? We bought the boat for cash, thank God, and don't have any debt to worry about. If it isn't worth repairing, what should we do with it? Does it have any value at all?
 
I wish you lived closer as we could help! That shop is about the same reason I learned how to fix my own boat! I bought it for $1000 off a lawn with a blown mtr....the local Seadoo dealer said it would never work again! well I went and started my own WSM dealership and fixed my own boat!.Then bought 2 more hehe .......now I fix Seadoos in our area! This site helped a TON! fix it!
 
I never seen a place turn down work. That dealer was easily going to make a grand on fixing your boat so why would he? I don't think you blew the engine. You can get a compression gauge and manual and test the engine yourself. If it spins freely and you have between 140-150 PSI range in both cylinders your engine in more than likley good. Check to make sure you have spark next in that engine if you do go to fuel system next . Make sure you have no gray fuel lines on boat and check the fuel filters. The cable is easy to check disconnect from carb and move the lever if moves freely and the butterfly still sticks rebuild the carb. Get someone to do it or do it yourself they are not hard to do you are mostly just cleaning and replacing rubber parts in the carb. The cost will be about $70 for mikuni kit and need/seat. I have the same boat. With the manual and people here on this board you can get the eninge working again. I have the same boat with 2 ther jetski's, motorcycle, and ATV's. I do all the work myself on all of them unless I need a dealer tool that will be more efficent for them to do it like changing my motorcycle tires. Rebuilt the top end and carbs on Yamaha GP1200 and my Polaris SL750 with a manual and help from boards like this.
 
Thank you, Moto and Howie. We are not likely to become as expert as you two at fixing this boat, and we don't really mind paying someone competent to do it. We knew we were taking that risk when we bought a used boat. But our minds are just boggled by the experience of waiting two weeks to be fired as a customer, and then being told that the boat isn't worth saving. And, of course, we are burning through summer with only a few hours on the water, and that is not good for my psyche!
 
I hate working on the summer stuff in the summer also. That's why I don't think its the eninge since that is not a hard R & R for a seadoo shop to do. Our model of boat is worth in the $4000-$7000 range depending on location and shape.Of cousre the newer 4TEC boats cost more because the engines and eletrical cost more. A short block 4TEC 155hp is $2200. You can get a whole 2-stroke w/2-3year warranty for $700-$900 dending on warranty and season purchased.

I really can't see the newer boats being easier to work on the engine. It is way more electrical and more expensive parts in them.
 
First... sorry to hear that the shop is owned and run by a bunch of Jack-off's.

Second... make sure they didn't run your credit card for the deposit !!



OK... I do have to say that I do occasionally turn down work... but not when I've already taken it in. But an engine swap really isn't that time consuming when a "Shop" is doing it. If I have everything ready to go... it takes about 3 to 6 hours hours. (Depending on the rust, and other nasty's) But, regardless... they were charging you $800 in labor. That's nutz... but that would have covered their time.


Unless the boat is totally rotten... they are always worth saving. If you dig up my Sportster thread... you will see what I mean. (it was a beater)

If you were closer to Pitt... I'd do it for half the labor.


Anyway... I guess all I can say is to find a different shop. (or do it yourself) The average home mechanic can do it over a weekend. AND... that engine isn't that heavy. 2 people can lift it out, or if you really strip it down in the engine bay... the "Core" of the engine weighs about 70 Lbs.
 
You guys are the best. I'm feeling better about the boat and worse about that particular shop all the time. We will take it to another Seadoo mechanic tomorrow -- about a mile from our house, but 80 miles from the lake. :( I'm no mechanic at all, and my husband would feel comfortable rebuilding a Briggs & Stratton but not this boat engine. My brother might love the job, but I don't think he has time.
 
Yep... go get that second opinion.

The only unfortunate thing is... that it is most boat shop's busy season, and it could take a couple weeks for them to do it.

But... I wish you the best of luck with the new shop.

Keep us up to date on the outcome.
 
We have vacation coming up out of state anyway, so we didn't expect to be able to use the boat again until 4th of July. Now I have no idea. I'll keep you posted. Thanks, guys.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum.

Sorry for your bad experience at a shop......care to share the name of it?

There are lots of good mechanics in the thousands of shops nationwide, but sometimes you get a rotten apple in either the shop or the mechanic. Ask around for one that works out of his own shop or garage.

Good Luck
 
If your husband can rebuild a B&S engine, he can do the Seadoo engine. The only part that becomes a little more challenging is that it's a 2 cylinder. But 2-stroke motors are much simplier than a 4-stroke. The suggestion of doing the compression check really is the place to start. If the compression is good, you don't need a new engine.

And the dealer "firing" you..... What a joke. From then on I would put no stock in their "not worth fixing" comment. There should be someone in the Little Rock area that can get you started in the right direction.
 
If ur up for the drive, u can bring it to my shop n fort worth =) I do hate to hear about all of the trash u went through. Everyone here has great ideas to get u started. We have double what our speedster is probably worth, invested in it. But what does it matter, we enjoy it and it's a huge Blessing!! Hope yours turns out well. =)
 
How would I go about finding an independent mechanic who works on Seadoos? There are two boat shops side by side about a mile from out house. The small one said he doesn't work on Seadoos (Yamahas, yes) and recommended the big guy next door, which is a Seadoo dealer and certified for Seadoo repairs. So my husband is taking the boat there in the morning, but I wouldn't mind calling around for other options.

And my husband is a smart guy and above-average handy, but this is just a scarier job than he's confident taking on by himself. Maybe if we'd had the boat long enough for him to get familiar with smaller repairs and maintenance.
 
How would I go about finding an independent mechanic who works on Seadoos? There are two boat shops side by side about a mile from out house. The small one said he doesn't work on Seadoos (Yamahas, yes) and recommended the big guy next door, which is a Seadoo dealer and certified for Seadoo repairs. So my husband is taking the boat there in the morning, but I wouldn't mind calling around for other options.

And my husband is a smart guy and above-average handy, but this is just a scarier job than he's confident taking on by himself. Maybe if we'd had the boat long enough for him to get familiar with smaller repairs and maintenance.

When I got my first jetski I cleaned it, put in new is,oil etc...first time the wife and I had it in the water the motor locked up after about 30 minutes. Turns out the previous owner left water in the bottom end. Needless to say I got dirty and tore it apart and rebuilt it. Now 5 years later and a bunch of personal skiis I have a full garage fixing all my friends' skiis.
Seriously though, it's not that difficult. Have him take his time and pay attention to the way it comes apart and reverse the removal procedure. If he's unsure of something there are many competent guys on here to point you guys in the right direction.
I hope you guys decide to fix it yourselves.
 
It's a shop called Ghettoworks in Heber Springs, AR. It's the closest certified Seadoo shop to our weekend house near Greers Ferry Lake, and our first experience with them was fine. But my head is still reeling from being fired as a customer. If I had badgered them with questions or demands, argued about price, bounced a check, blamed them for the breakdown after the first repair -- I could understand not wanting to deal with that customer. But honest to God, all I did was pay the money and then ask whether a 12-day delay in asking for a deposit meant that the repair would take that much longer. I hoped for and fully expected to have a long professional relationship with this shop, and would be happy to be a profitable customer if it meant I had a mechanic I could count on. Dumb move.
 
How would I go about finding an independent mechanic who works on Seadoos? There are two boat shops side by side about a mile from out house. The small one said he doesn't work on Seadoos (Yamahas, yes) and recommended the big guy next door, which is a Seadoo dealer and certified for Seadoo repairs. So my husband is taking the boat there in the morning, but I wouldn't mind calling around for other options.

And my husband is a smart guy and above-average handy, but this is just a scarier job than he's confident taking on by himself. Maybe if we'd had the boat long enough for him to get familiar with smaller repairs and maintenance.

Call SBT in the morning and ask them who they would recommend. We r on their list (of course DFW area), but u can ask if they know of one near you who is a client of theirs.
 
First you need to verify that the engine is shot. Personally rebuilding an engine was a task that I did not feel like doing, but doing a re and re is a different thing and not difficult at all. All you need is some basic tools, torque wrench and lots of loctite. You can get a SBT engine for $745 plus shipping (assuming it is a 717) and have it in about a week, another half day to do the install and you are ready for the water. You can also buy a good used engine, check the classified section.

Good luck!!
 
I found a great mechanic by running an ad on Craigslist asking for a qualified SeaDoo mechanic. This guy is awesome, does great work, and doesn't charge that much on labor. Give that a try.

I had a similar experience in July 2010 shortly after buying my 97 Speedster in late June 2010. Was out on the river having a blast pulling my girls and a friend on a tube. I noticed that one of the engines seemed to be straining and could feel a lot more vibration than usual; I shut down pretty quickly and took a look in the engine compartment. Since nothing seemed out of place, I started it back up and the port engine was rattling like crazy. I shut it down again and when I tried to restart it, it wouldn't turn over. The starboard engine would start right up, so I knew it wasn't a bad battery. It seemed like the engine was locked down and I was pretty panicked and felt a pit in my stomach.

I didn't want to pay the huge labor costs at the local SeaDoo dealer to work on it, so I ran the ad in Craigslist. I had several replies and talked to a couple of people. The first guy I took it to determined that the engine was locked down because he couldn't turn it over even with the drive shaft. I began looking at buying a short block and then having the guy install it. Anyway, I began just looking at everything mechanical with the boat to see where there might be other potential issues to address in order to get them done as well. When I looked into the port pump from the back on the boat, it didn't look the same as the starboard pump. I got a flashlight so I could see better and it appeared that there was something lodged between the impeller and the side of the pump. I was able to get a pair of pliers up in there and pulled out a big chunk of plastic which then freed up the drive shaft and I could now turn over the engine with the flywheel! It still wouldn't crank because the impeller was still grinding on something.

In the mean time, I got an email from Craigslist from a guy who recommended the mechanic that I mentioned at the beginning of this message. I took the boat to him and when he pulled the port pump off the back of the boat, the rest of the disintegrated wear ring fell out on the ground and totally freed the engine! He did a compression check on both engines and they were both perfect.

In the end, what I thought was going to be a $1500-$2000 repair ended up being $200 parts, fluids, and labor! While he was at it, he repaired a little of the gelcoat on the inside of the pickup under the boat as a part of the job. I went ahead and had him put a new ring in the starboard pump while he was at it and got out of there for $400! The boat has run strong since.

Find a great backyard mechanic who knows what they're doing and you can save a bundle of money and have a lot more fun.

Fix your boat!
 
The Sportster is at the big Seadoo place, hauled over by hubby this morning. We'll see what they have to say about it. Thanks again to everyone who has sympathized and encouraged and just generally confirmed my suspicions.
 
Okay, the verdict from the Seadoo-certified shop in Little Rock is in, and we do need a new engine. ("Shot" was the description of the old one.) We've been instructed to order a 717 from SBT, and the shop will install for $400-$500. Is there anything we need to know about ordering this thing? The "premium" package includes a two-year warranty rather than one-year. That sounds like it could be worth the additional $150 -- especially since we're saving several hundred dollars either way. What do you think?
 
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