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97 Gti - no fuel

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94H_Ex

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I tried doing some research about some of my issues but nothing too clear of my problem is really showing. Other than take the fuel selector out and clean it, there's really no other clear answers to help.

So heres the issue, I have a 97 Sea Doo GTi with a 720cc 2 stroke, you can shoot some starter spray in it and it will fire right up with no hesitations. It will not however start on its own, even with the choke on. At first I figured the carb needed to be rebuilt with new diaphragms and gaskets as well cleaned out. I happened to have a 95 xp with the same sized engine but blown, that has a dual set of carbs on it. A buddy and me figured the dual carb setup would give it some better response and performance with out it running rich on fuel. So I pulled the intake manifolds, the oilier, and carbs and made sure I had every thing installed correctly.

NOTE: the blown 95 xp was running fine a week ago, someone else ran it out of water with out hooking water to it, and I found the oilier not engaged to the carbs so I think it pretty much over heated it. Causing it to slightly seize.

Its still not starting on its own, so it leads me to figure either the fuel lines are clogging, the selector is clogged, or my pick up device in the take is clogged. Is there anything else I can be missing?

another question. Why does everyone say to replace the gray fuel line? is it just total crap? Or is there a better reason?
 
Is Fuel delivery Routeing ?

The carburetor fuel pump draws the fuel into it from the delivery circulatory, then pushes it thru the carbs, into the return to the circulatory chamber line. If you remove the return line from the carb exit nipple, fuel should come out when you spin the engine. Thrus, It is Not routeing. A clog is restricting fuel flow. Either it cannot draw fuel or it cannot push fuel.
Do the purge/leak test for fuel routing, and Test or replace the rectifier in the electrical box.

Once you first notice that the motor is not performing as it should, immediatly park it and find out what is wrong. Do not keep trying to ride it. That is how motors get destroyed for no good reason other than it needed fixing before the damage is done. Now you need to do a compression test to see if you damaged your pistons/rings & cylinder walls. Hopefully, the rectifier has gone south and that is why it will not rev out properly, a very common cure for this type problem.
there is more often than not a problem inside a carbureator, typically, those problems are water sitting in the carbs rusting up stuff, needle and seat valves that are stuck shut, diaphrams that are stiff old and hard, sometimes vulcanized ( glued ) to the diaphram cover plates so they can barely move inward to open the needle valves when necessary, or just partially open the needle valve which reduces fuel flow, gasoline/oil varnished internal carb parts, clogged internal filters, bad fuel pump diaphrams, ect.ect.ect.
Then to add to the list, water in the bottom of the gas tank, or a gooey mess of hardened pre-mix oil thart seperated from the gasoline, a clogged up fuel selector valve, rotten fuel lines and last but not least, the wrong style inline fuel filter. The one small fuel pump that feeds two thirsty 720 carbs cannot put up with any restrictions caused by the wrong style inline fuel filter.

Also, knowing your carbs and fuel system is clean and flowing easily & properly is very important on old motors. A clean fuel system and carbs will go along way to keep you from needing a new motor premateurly.
Inspect the fuel separator/filter O-ring and gas tank vent one-way check valve. Remove the gas tank fuel bafel and clean the bottom screen, this is the most overlooked filter in the fuel delivery system. When clogged can overwork the drawing power of the carburetor fuel pump. Any Goo from deteriorated lines is immediatly recirculated into the outgoing fuel supply line. Any tubulented goo drops to bottom of the bafel when ski sits.

Disconnect the red wire to the rectifier and see if it run great. restart the ski several times to confirm and if everything worked, Rec is bad, This is the Rectifier test.

Open gas cap in case any pressure is in there, then re-tighten. Remove the gas supply line from carb
and put the hose end into a catch bottle. Remove the fuel return gas line from carb nipple and blow a small amount of air chuck pressure into return line. Watch routing fuel flow from
supply in a bottle, IF it routes good, the carb is faulty from a clog or pump diaphram has a hole.
Check pulse tube for clog, it operates the fuel pump with a push-pull or suck-blow as pistons
go up-down in engine case, that is how the mag carb pump actuates route pressure thru the carb, and back into gas tank . A WD-40 straw works good for that. Attach a 2'short fuel line to the tube and if you can blow into the crank-case, its clear of debris.
On dual carb systems, when the mag carb (it gets fuel first) clogs and the PTO carb starves as a result, and that cylinder runs lean, then seizes first. Running lean can cause Glow-plugging and the engine will Rev run-away. Pulling off the lanyard will not help. Asphyxiating by pulling choke and opening throttle may stop engine run-away. Pulling spark wires may injure you and not kill engine as its getting fire from burning piston carbon or red hot spark plug.
Any SeaDoo or other jetski with OEM grey tempo fuel lines will need the entire fuel system rebuilt due to known problems with internal fuel-line deterioration & resin goo clogging up the small internal carborator filters, fuel selector valve and most other fuel system components. Symptoms also include engine bogging at higher speeds (3500 rpm). Continued riding will cause carbonizing & a burned aluminum pistons and engine failure due to lean fuel/air mixtures and high combustion temps. The only solution is to replace ALL the fuel lines with standard automotive NAPA lines, clear race Fuel lines like: http://fastflowfuellines.com/, or equivalent, rebuild the carborators with rebuild kits,new needle & seats, and replacing the fuel selector valve. It is suggested to install a clear glass marine grade inline fuel filter just before the carborators to catch any remaining debris.Yamaha also has a good i/f.
Inspect the fuel separator/filter O-ring and gas tank vent one-way check valve.

For the carbs to work, you have got to have the flame arrestor on. This is what creates resistance, along with the manifold pressure created by the compression of the engine, to get the gas to the motor. So, if you don't have the flame arrestor on, you'll never get fuel to the motor.
Gas Tank Breather Check Valves
A Hard to Start common cause is a carburetor needle(s) & seat(s) leaking fuel into the cylinders causeing a hard start condition when motor is hot. How can gas get past a needle valve other than what I have talked about? One way is if the fuel tank pressure release check valve in the OUT vent line thru rub rail is not functioning. The fuel pressure in the tank overcomes the spring tension on the needle valve and gas is FORCED past it. The valve should open at approx. 3-5lbs. psi.
 
The flame arrestor. is it that the plate thats located between the intake manifold and the block that set on a gear to turn with the gear as well? Second question, is there a major difference from a dual carb and a single carb? and is it timed a certain way? I'm really new to some of these things, and most will think I shouldnt touch what I dont know. But I'll never learn if i dont get into it and pick up on some things.
 
I answered my own question. What I was asking was about the rotary valve. which have the same degrees between both engines.

so now I have no idea what the flame arrestor is.
 
you wanna see pics of grey fuel lines, and what they do?

Your selector is more than likely clogged up. Switch to reserve and see what happens. Is the inline filter full of gas?
 
I think I saw what they do. the black inner lining on them becomes "goo" and works its way into the carbs. This might be a theory, but what I think what makes them turn to goo is if the owner or user puts premixed fuel into the main tank instead of using gas only. Thus making the inner lines soft and start to fall apart.

A pic of what they really do would really be nice. I want to increase my knowledge as much as possible. I replaced about 75 percent of the lines, I ran out of line and where I get alot of my parts were closed. so I'll finish it tomorrow. All I have to run is my return, and reserve. I think I'm just going to get alittle cheap and leave my ventilation line the old gray sense fuel doesn't go through it.


Back to the main topic. I found my problem today. Using the info that I was given this morning by Bill has helped me understand the fuel system in this model. Turns out I had my fuel lines to the carbs backwards -_- my return line was connected to the intake of the carbs. If i would of looked at the way the lines were ran I would of probably caught this sooner. Though I now know and understand the fuel system alot more. The ski runs great, I didnt run it longer than a minute. I still have to go in and adjust my cable for the oilier, and the idle on it. Which I'll have to do tomorrow when its not so dark.
 
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