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96 Xp fouling plugs

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Timhof13

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I just had all my fuel lines replaced and my carbs cleaned, now my ski is fouling plugs.

1. Are the carbs not adjusted correct

2. Could it be an issue with the raves( never got to high speed, not I'm guessing no)

Also I was reading about this issue and I keep seeing reference to WOT? What does that mean. Wide open throttle?

Help would be appreciated, just got the ski. Compression is great, just tested today at 160 plus on both cylinders.
 
In the end, the fuel comes through the needle and seats. Did you do anything with theses?

What adjustment are highe speed and low speed screws at?


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I didn't do the work, they were just " cleaned up"

What should the setting be at, I might dig in there and check it out. I'm going to have someone who used to work at a seadoo dealership check them out
 
If it's black fuel soot fouling, this indicates there's too much fuel. If too much oil you will notice a lot of smoke, more than normal. The oil pump adjustment must be checked and/or readjusted each time after the engine idle speed is adjusted or after the carbs are rebuilt, so check that too! There are two index marks that should align with throttle at idle position.

96XP 787 - Low speed mixture adjustment should be ~1 turn open from lightly seated and the high speed mixture adjustment should be 0 turns open from lightly seated.

Download the BRP dactory service manual, all adjustments are included plus a bunch more important stuff.
 
There is not a lot of smoke, I would say black soot is a good description. Where do you download the manual?
 
"seadoo manuals dot com" is one source, check there.

Aside from fuel-fouling the spark plugs often, if the motor runs well otherwise then check the low speed and high speed adjustment screws. The low speed adjustment screw is for adjusting the idle fuel mixture, and the high speed screw is for more than 50% throttle and beyond.

Also while in there remember to check the index marks on the oil pump lever are aligned when the throttle is at idle position, and the lever rotates as the throttle lever is actuated. If the marks aren't aligned there might more than normal or too little oil. As you probably know, applying throttle also moves the lever on the oil pump to provide more oil, progressively. This saves a ton of oil and the loading and fouling of the spark plugs will be less frequent.

Too much fuel is one of the most common causes of sooty plugs but make sure to check the oil pump adjustment b/c that always needs to be corrected initially and then again AFTER the carburetors are installed and adjusted.

Let us know how it goes! :)
 
Well I'm picking it up tomorrow, I'll post back. The high speed was not correct, I suspect someone adjusted it because the carbs were dirty. I've not a nice stretch of weather here in MI so I'm gonna test it out and see.
 
Well I took it out today, played with it on the trailer. Everything seemed good. Drove around the dock for a bit seemed good. Took it out to the bay, babied it for a bit. Everything seemed good. I decided to give it throttle and she was running good. I pulled out my gps on the phone I hit 53.5 mph. About 15 min into the ride it seemed to start fouling again, headed straight back to the dock. I pulled the plugs to inspect, this is what they look like. Thoughts BTW plugs were brand new

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"seadoo manuals dot com" is one source, check there.

Aside from fuel-fouling the spark plugs often, if the motor runs well otherwise then check the low speed and high speed adjustment screws. The low speed adjustment screw is for adjusting the idle fuel mixture, and the high speed screw is for more than 50% throttle and


Also while in there remember to check the index marks on the oil pump lever are aligned when the throttle is at idle position, and the lever rotates as the throttle lever is actuated. If the marks aren't aligned there might more than normal or too little oil. As you probably know, applying throttle also moves the lever on the oil pump to provide more oil, progressively. This saves a ton of oil and the loading and fouling of the spark plugs will be less frequent.

Too much fuel is one of the most common causes of sooty plugs but make sure to check the oil pump adjustment b/c that always needs to be corrected initially and then again AFTER the carburetors are installed and adjusted.

Let us know how it goes! :)

Please see pics, could raves be an issue
 
your plugs do not look that bad. You sure there is no obstruction in the fuel lines or in the pickups? You look for that chocolate brown over the insulator. You can look at the top of the piston to see the wash also. Your rave vales adjusted and look good?
 
your plugs do not look that bad. You sure there is no obstruction in the fuel lines or in the pickups? You look for that chocolate brown over the insulator. You can look at the top of the piston to see the wash also. Your rave vales adjusted and look good?

Raves are not flush, I believe that is where they should be
 
Those plugs don't look bad. What are the symptoms exactly



96 XP800!
Keep the 2 strokes alive!


Well it's running bad after a while on the water, it started to sputter a bit yesterday and I just headed for dock. Didn't have a tow home if she puked. It was fouling plugs after the carb was cleaned. I just had someone adjust them to spec( high speed was not at zero) and it sputtered again. Could it be dirty raves? I've never touched them and really don't know how to clean them. Should they be flat to the top?
 
I've forgotten, does this 787 have two separate ignition coils? If yes, then you should be able to determine which plug isn't firing by pulling a wire off one plug while running in water. Need to focus on which cylinder is fouling plugs, or if it's both/either.

Can you document your plugs a little better, like which is fouled? Those two plugs aren't running the same, the color is different.

Wild guess, the yellow one (the one I like) is fouled? And the angle on this photo is near perfect b/c I can see the ground strap well, along with the center electrode ceramic insulator. I like to see the ground strap change color preferably just before the bend or in the bend.

The grey plug looks lean, might want to add some fuel with HS needle. The 787 I think needs more fuel on one cylinder I think it's the PTO (rear) the 787 guys can answer that question?

As far as cleaning the RAVES goes, once a year for me else they seem to stick closed. That hurts top end first, you won't get the revs going if they don't both open.
 
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The first two pics are the same plug(front of machine) the second two are the same plug(rear of machine). This is my first 787 so that's why I'm asking. Also which plug looks lean?
 
Your front plug looks lean to me, the rear looks almost ok. My carbs are both set at 0 for the H speed. Your raves would not cause this but you should clean them. Remove the 2 screws holding the whole valve on and the rave will pull straight out. Clean the paddle if its gummed up and re-install. On mine both rave caps are set the same and I think are 3 notches down......check to be sure what they should be set at. I would unscrew the spark plug boots and clip off 1/4 inch off the end of the wire and reinstall them. Where your carbs cleaned or rebuilt?? Was pop-off checked?? Internal fuel filters cleaned??
 
They were simply cleaned, pop off was not checked. Assuming I should just do a total carb rebuild. I really don't want to if not nessesary. I also don't want to blow my motor up
 
The first two pics are the same plug(front of machine) the second two are the same plug(rear of machine). This is my first 787 so that's why I'm asking. Also which plug looks lean?

I could talk your ear off about tuning 2-stroke carbs, lol.....

The first and third photo aren't helping a whole bunch.

The second photo would be perfect anglw if the plug was rotated 90 degrees so I can see the whole ground strap but I can see the center electrode ceramic insulator is grey and that's too lean (for any amount of running) IMO. Grey makes me think of aluminum b/c every two stroke I've roasted had a grey plug and yes, this happens when I tune for power and get it too lean. They run like stink when lean but they will roast so there's a fine line. Better to be plenty rich but not do rich you've got fouling and 4-stroking under load (4-stroking without load is a good sign, especially WOT with no rev limiter a properly tuned carb should 4-stroke the cylinder instead of rev out past red line. 4-stroking used to be our rev limiter for bikes, FWIW, remember the wing, ding, ding, ding sound in the expansion pipe and 4-stroking rev at the start line wind up that cleared out as the rope fell and clutch engaged?).

Is the 2nd photo the fouled plug, or is the fouled plug the 4th photo? (Let's assume one isn't firing so pull one plug wire with engine running in water to find the fouled plug. If motor stops you just shut down the good cylinder (only one is firing) so the other one is fouled, pulling a wire and no change means that plug isn't firing.

The last photo could use a little more angle so we can see the center electrode ceramic insulator, I can see the whole ground strap looks good I can barely see the center electrode but seems to be yellow, which is how my new plugs look after 15 minutes. Then they progressivly turn cardboard brown from the low ash oil film as they stabilize.

A stabilized plug should look like this photo but one that has 15 minutes on it should have a yellow tinge to the center electrode. Notice the ground strap changes color about at the bend, more heat pushes the color band further into the bend. Photo angle isn't perfect either, for viewing the ground strap color change but pretty decent.

http://www.seadoosource.com/sparkpluginfo.html

So the yellow -> brown color is from oil film depositing on the center ceramic insulator and when temp gets too high the color becomes grey (or is it aluminum joining the party on the center insulator?)

I suppose it's possible to clean the outside of carbs without disassembling them but no way to clean the inside correctly without disassembly. May as well toss a new needle/seat in while in there if more than a few years old, a carb isn't fresh rebuilt without a new n/s, IMO.

Turn up the fuel on that one cylinder that's lean but if it's hesitating at all or losing speed in WOT or the plug remains grey those carbs MUST come off.

Every 2-stroke will eventually seize if not rebuilt before it happens, rebuilds are part of regular maintenance and performing a compression check is one way of getting a feel for when that day has arrived.
 

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Here's an image showing piston wash. Assuming you can see down in there once the RAVES are removed. The cool fuel keeps carbon from forming on the crown edges, "washing" the crown clean. Running lean causes high heat in the crown and the fuel forms carbon patch on the crown (racers watch for carbon forming on underside of crown at wrist pin area as well). Look for a ring of washed aluminum around the perimeter.
 

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