95' speedster starting issue :(

[rolando14]

so got everything in working order to start both engines in the drive way but neither starters seem to have enough oomph to turn things over. I'm wondering if it is a problem with the jet pump?

the most I could get the port engine flywheel to turn was 1 revolution and about 3/4 on the star side.. I pumped the fittings with grease also.

Any advice for an amateur? I'm prepared to remove jet pumps but was hoping to get some advice first..

it seemingly isn't the engines because after removing spark plugs, the shaft didn't spin any better.

help is much appreciated

 

[rolando14]

and the boat hasn't run in about a year and a half...

 

[ocod]

try the basics and get fully charged battery.

 

[rolando14]

will try a full batt charge all day today.. also experiencing a continuous beep as soon as i push a starter button..

got my investigative work cut out for me !

 

[rolando14]

so pulled the head off of port engine and cleaned everything up.. cylinders were in great shape, obviously new(ish) ... freed up jet pump & put everything back together.. tried to turn over but still no good. it tries to crank much better than before but still no dice.

i put a voltage reader on the solenoid out to starter and reads only 5v but it sparks when i put a jump across t? i don't get it..

feeling kinda stuck here any guidance would be awesome

 

[ocod]

does it sound like this


[video=youtube;z-GFLiPVzYE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-GFLiPVzYE[/video]

if it does then

Your battery is bad. You should be holding 10.5v minimum as it's cranking. The RFI, Di, And DC-CDI SeaDoo's need at least 11v while cranking to fire reliably.

Mind you this is out of a PWC thread but pretty much same engine.

Go to a autozone or Discount with battery and have them load test it to be sure. Or take battery out of car and try.
Do not ever jump from other source while ON(running on alternator) excess volts blow MPEM. You'll be out $$$$

and the boat hasn't run in about a year and a half...

Even if battery holds a charge cells are dead. Invest in a new battery any ways. Season just starting

 

[rolando14]

it does sound pretty similar to that as a matter of fact.. however it is a brand new die hard marine battery!!!

I did a 2 to 1 battery conversion btw.. should the switch to "both batteries" be on? or does it not matter?

 

[ocod]

it does sound pretty similar to that as a matter of fact.. however it is a brand new die hard marine battery!!!

I did a 2 to 1 battery conversion btw.. should the switch to "both batteries" be on? or does it not matter?

:svengo:

Have you not tried that already?
Otherwise go over all connection to and from switch. Usually all give max crank but it wouldn't matter if it was on 1 or 2 only because boat should crank on one battery any ways.
Go over connections again at battery and at starter.
Could go back and have them test it again.

 

[rolando14]

well the switch seemed kind of iffy, when I try to select the 2 batt the switch doesn't sit in that position it springs back to the middle unless i hold it down it feels like it's spring loaded or something? I need to tighten up the swtiches on that panel.

i took the starter wire off, cleaned up contact on that and on starter.. idk, sitting here thinking about it is driving me nuts. i don't fully understand these boats as you can see lol. i need to get a better voltmeter tomorrow too.. shouldn't the solenoid read way more than 5v?

 

[ocod]

well the switch seemed kind of iffy, when I try to select the 2 batt the switch doesn't sit in that position it springs back to the middle unless i hold it down it feels like it's spring loaded or something? I need to tighten up the swtiches on that panel.

i took the starter wire off, cleaned up contact on that and on starter.. idk, sitting here thinking about it is driving me nuts. i don't fully understand these boats as you can see lol. i need to get a better voltmeter tomorrow too.. shouldn't the solenoid read way more than 5v?

I think so..

 

[rolando14]

thanks for the help dude! i'm gonna futz with it today see if I can't get the starter going a little faster.

 

[rolando14]

So I decided to throw a trickle charge on the batt for 24 hours, going to see if that doesn't give me more juice, my neighbor came over and convinced me that this battery may not have had a full charge when i got it.. idk why i guess i've really thought it was beyond the battery but i'm really being strict to narrow things down, getting stressful lol

i'm halfway temped to order a solenoid for giggles, found one for $27

 

[ocod]

You can PP me a $1 tomorrow when you hook it a fresh charged battery it'll cranks right up.
You carried out that battery that was on a self or they had you come back for it??

 

[rolando14]

off the shelf. well dam i left it on the trickle all night and same results.. I tested the battery it's putting out like 12.5v..

the starter wants to turn the engine over.. with plugs in it just can't crank, it only caused flywheel to spin one revolution and then stops trying to work even if i'm pushing button down still... then with plugs out it spins like a top.. i'm stuck in the water here, and by that i mean my garage

 

[rolando14]

gonna try disconnecting all batt cables and re-cleaning, connecting... from there though i think it might be the solenoid or if not, then unfortunately the starter..

actually i should check output when cranking real quick..


my beeping when pushing down start button has completely gone away now?

 

[ocod]

dam dude that sucks.
yep I would go throw all the connections again. make sure they are clean and not corroded.
If not look up brushes for the starter. I think those are things you replace when no worky

 

[rolando14]

hehe..

alright well i tested the output on this battery when trying to crank and it was only 5v. just like the solenoid was saying when i tested that, which makes sense. so, at the end of the day it sounds like maybe I do have a bad battery after all? standing still this battery puts out 12.5v but when trying to crank only about 5v. i tested it right on the terminals of the batt., so sounds like not a bad connection, right? jeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzooooooooo..

i think i'm gonna pull the oil tank and get this monstrosity out of here and continue testing, thanks for all your help i'll post back for sure.

 

[ocod]

Dude take the battery out of your car and try it.
I use a cranking battery vs a deep cell. Although I really don't have anything on while standing still so not to drain battery.

 

[rolando14]

so i took the batt. out of my truck and tried with the same exact results, this is blowing my mind. i've checked the ground and it's clean as a whistle and well fastened. the ONLY thing I'm seeing is that one of my ground wires is notably less clean than the other one. i will post back with a pic, but i spliced a little bit back on the one dirty ground to see if that was just dirty at the surface and it wasn't, i imagine the entire wire is like that. wondering if it isn't too corroded all the way through...

 

[LSaupe]

Disregard my earlier post here, I misread it. Good luck with this! Sounds frustrating.

 

[rolando14]

so i was wondering what anyone thinks of how this looks, the one neg cable is entirely cleaner and healthier looking than the other.

could this ugly one be my culprit? my dad seems to think it doesn't pose enough of a problem, but just seeing what you think.

 

[bigsky seadoo]

i have something like this going on as well when you take your plugs out it will turn over great but with plugs in and just after you hook up tether it will turn over for as long as you sometimes but other times it will crank once or twice and just quit, and then you have to take tether off and do this again also have brand new battery, but sometimes it seems if there is too much comp for this starter or something hopefuuly someone can figure this out for you and me for that matter good luck

 

[rolando14]

i have something like this going on as well when you take your plugs out it will turn over great but with plugs in and just after you hook up tether it will turn over for as long as you sometimes but other times it will crank once or twice and just quit, and then you have to take tether off and do this again also have brand new battery, but sometimes it seems if there is too much comp for this starter or something hopefuuly someone can figure this out for you and me for that matter good luck

I'm taking one starter out tomorrow to disassemble, clean and hopefully reassemble. I'm REALLY hoping this will cure my problem, if it does I will let you know! Will post back anyway..

 

[rolando14]

so i yanked my starter today, cleaned up the commutator & everything else, including hardware (pb blaster soak and wire brushed).. and also soaked gaskets in oil then reassembled/reinstalled, CRANKS LIKE A MOTHA!

problem now is fuel delivery.. which I won't lie, I saw this coming. Yanking all fuel lines tomorrow (original grey lines) and then cleaning carbs out...


can anyone suggest fuel lines to substitute? thanks for all your help ocod i owe you for not leaving me alone in my thread here.

 

[ocod]

so i yanked my starter today, cleaned up the commutator & everything else, including hardware (pb blaster soak and wire brushed).. and also soaked gaskets in oil then reassembled/reinstalled, CRANKS LIKE A MOTHA!

problem now is fuel delivery.. which I won't lie, I saw this coming. Yanking all fuel lines tomorrow (original grey lines) and then cleaning carbs out...


can anyone suggest fuel lines to substitute? thanks for all your help ocod i owe you for not leaving me alone in my thread here.

Hey at least your getting closer. Go to auto parts store. They sell fuel lines by the foot.