2011 Sewadoo Wake 155 electrical issue?

[Fish1]

2011 Seadoo Wake 155 electrical issue?

Hey guys,

I recently got a used 2011 Wake 155 from a Yamaha dealership in my area. While at the dealership they looked up the year/model and let me know there was a minor recall (some type of electrical update) for the ski.

I took it home and rode it for a short while with NO issues at all. It started and ran great!

After a few hours, I brought it into the Seadoo dealership to have the recall taken care of. Once I got the ski back, I'm now having two issues with the what I assume is the electrical system that were not an issue before this recall.

1.) When I put the key in, the ski will not consistently beep like normal to let me know it read the key and is ready to start. Now, it will sometimes beep and sometimes remain silent. The strange thing is that even when it does not beep, it will still sometimes start just fine.

2.) The much bigger issue is that when I am riding along and let go of the throttle, the engine still seems to be giving it some lesser amount of throttle. This causes the ski to slow down, but not nearly like it should. The ski will end up quitting that extra throttle in a few seconds. Or, I can apply the brake to end that little throttle the engine still seems to be giving the ski. It is alarming as it prevents the ski from slowing down even close to as quickly as it should.

This only happens on occasion and I don't know what might be causing it. It seems completely random. Over the course of 3/4 hours of riding, it probably only happened 5/6 times.


I brought the ski back to the same dealership ---

After they checked the ski, I was told they coudn't find anything wrong with it. They could not recreate the problem, even after putting it in the water (I assume while still at the dealership). They also couldn't find any error codes when checking the system.

When I brought up the question of the key not triggering the beeping consistently, they asked me if I was pressing the start button before attaching the key. When I said "no, I just attach the key", they said that is the problem. They said I am supposed to press the start/stop button FIRST and THEN attach the key...and then press the start/stop button again to start the ski?!?!


So my questions are:

1.) Any idea what could possibly cause this additional throttle issue after I completely let off the throttle?

2.) Are you really suppose to start the ski the way they said (Press start/stop, then attach key, the press start/stop)?



Thanks guys!

 

[Coastiejoe]

Many, but not all, skis require to be "woken up" by pressing the start/stop button first. I own two skis. One you MUST do so and the other you can do it or not.

Is the 2011 a fly by wire design or have a physical throttle cable?

If fly by wire there is a good chance that their update could affect this.

 

[KK40384]

2011 is fly by wire

 

[Coastiejoe]

2011 is fly by wire

I was pretty sure as my 2010 is,,,

I would ask the dealer if they can return the flash or burn or whatever Seadoo calls it back to what you had to see if this changes things or corrects the issue.

It's free to them so I would push hard for it.

You could fight this FOREVER. This is why I would want to go back in time to ensure you are not fighting something that could never get fixed in theory...

 

[Fish1]

Thanks Coastiejoe!

Hmmm...I asked them and they said that because it was a recall they can't undo it.

 

[Sportster-2001-951C-Stock]

I'm beginning to think the entire purpose of upgrades is to introduce bugs. Show up on crutches, and tell them it threw you off and they need to fix whatever they did and if necessary they should contact the factory for permission or a resolution.

 

[Coastiejoe]

I really think you need to STRESS your concern for safety. The fact the ski does not slow down as it did as. That the throttle stay partially engaged is dangerous. I would make it politely clear that you are typing up a statement of your concerns and you expect someone of authority to sign that they will not return it to what it was and that your intention is to file the statement with the courthouse, (you can file anything you want with courthouses for reasons just like this issue).

I bet they will NOT be willing to sign it but they may be willing to look into the issue with more regency.

I would push this hard until it is right and on there dime.

 

[Fish1]

They also said that this was a software update so they can't simply go back to the previous version.

I had them call Seadoo and ask for approval to test further. After calling, Seadoo told the dealership they would not approve further testing so I was forced to either pay for further testing with no guarantee they would be able to find the issue, or pick up the ski as is.

I didn't like the idea of paying for further testing if they were able to reproduce the issue the first time so I picked up the ski.

I will try to narrow down when it does it to possibly help the dealership narrow down possible solutions.

Has anyone heard of this type of throttle issue?

 

[Fish1]

I really think you need to STRESS your concern for safety. The fact the ski does not slow down as it did as. That the throttle stay partially engaged is dangerous. I would make it politely clear that you are typing up a statement of your concerns and you expect someone of authority to sign that they will not return it to what it was and that your intention is to file the statement with the courthouse, (you can file anything you want with courthouses for reasons just like this issue).

I bet they will NOT be willing to sign it but they may be willing to look into the issue with more regency.

I would push this hard until it is right and on there dime.

Great idea Castlejoe! I wish I would have done something similar to this before picking the ski up today.

I might still write up something like this and email it to the dealership with the facts. This way there is a record (in addition to the work order) of what I have explained to them as the issue and the fact Seadoo will not cover this under either the warranty, or due to the fact this problem only appeared AFTER a factory recall to the electrical system was "updated".

Thanks Castlejoe!

 

[Coastiejoe]

Great idea Castlejoe! I wish I would have done something similar to this before picking the ski up today.

I might still write up something like this and email it to the dealership with the facts. This way there is a record (in addition to the work order) of what I have explained to them as the issue and the fact Seadoo will not cover this under either the warranty, or due to the fact this problem only appeared AFTER a factory recall to the electrical system was "updated".

Thanks Castlejoe!

Don't mail it, walk in with it. Mail is easy to ignore, you being there it is not.

Be VERY polite and express this is a concern for not only the safety of the rider but for where the ski may go due to not throttling back. If they refuse explain your intention to send it to them via certified mail. If they accept it, have it typed that you expect it back within thirty days. If not returned within 30 days you will file it with the courthouse along with their acceptance of the certified letter.

If not accepted after two attempts the court recognizes this as an acceptance and you can then file it.

I can't express how hard I'd push this to be a safety thing. Make it become their concern as well.

 

[Fish1]

Great advice Castlejoe!!! You are correct that this needs to be their concern as well....assuming this is an actual problem with the ski (see below)

I posted this issue in another forum as well and received the following reply:

if you go in a straight line then let off the throttle and turn the bars the off power steering sensor(OPAS) in the handlebars will make the engine rev up slightly to make the ski turn usually it will keep revving till you straighten the bars again.

I'm not completely sure this wasn't what was happening. Could it have NOT been doing this before, and was "corrected" by the factory electrical recall? That could explain why I only noticed this happening after the recall AND why the dealership is telling me that they can't find any problem with the ski.

I don't know if it was only happening while turning after releasing the throttle or not, but now that I have the ski back, I will definitely pay attention next time this happens.

 

[Coastiejoe]

I know Seadoo boats bump the idle up when in full turn. I have no idea if skis do this. I'm leaning towards no as I've not heard about it nor read it. But,,, it could be the case.

Valid point if that is the case.

 

[Sportster-2001-951C-Stock]

One perhaps helpful suggestion concerning the lanyard, or at least my lanyard, is the after pushing the start button and receiving the long beep telling me the MPEM wants to read the lanyard (instead of 2 quick beeps), all I have to do is gently push the lanyard for the MPEM to detect and re-read it, no need to remove it from the post.

Sorry guys, I can't see myself ever owning a drive-by system. I'm the guy who removes all those stupid plastic caps on the high speed screws and I demand direct throttle control, not willing to let a programmer sitting behind a terminal twist that knob for me.

I guess I have a long hard life ahead of me, LOL..........

 

[Sportster-2001-951C-Stock]

I don't know if it was only happening while turning after releasing the throttle or not, but now that I have the ski back, I will definitely pay attention next time this happens.

Maybe, I think I've read some skis do that now. My boat does it mechanically, through the helm linkage. Might disconnect it some day but it actually helps me know when I'm near the steering lock, LOL.

 

[sircolby45]

This is not a bug. I can confirm that I noticed the same thing with my Ski. The reason it is not throttling down is because you have the handlebars turned and are still at speed. It makes sure that if the handlebars are turned that you get adequate throttle at the speed that you are going so that you can still turn. If you want to test this theory for yourself get up some speed turn the handlebars and let off the throttle. Then quickly straighten the handlebars...It will idle down...Then before it slows down turn them again and it will throttle back up. IMO it is actually a pretty cool feature because otherwise you would not be able to turn until it slowed down.

 

[KK40384]

I know Seadoo boats bump the idle up when in full turn. I have no idea if skis do this. I'm leaning towards no as I've not heard about it nor read it. But,,, it could be the case.

Valid point if that is the case.

All the 2012 models i rode did this but only when moving forwards. If idling along then no but if i was slowing down off throttle and turned the steering then yes there was a blip in the throttle to assist with the steering.