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2005 SeaDoo RXT 215

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hoosier1970

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Hello....I'm new to this forum so bare with me if I lack specific knowledge. I just bought a 2005 RXT with 120 hours from a dealer here in town. The previous owner took it in to get some work done and elected to get a new ski. It got a new supercharger.....updated washers.....jet pump rebuilt as well as a full service job. My question is what will I have to worry about with this ski? I'd like to stay ahead of issues as much as I can but I'm a little worried after reading lots of threads on this forum. I took it out the other day and it ran perfect and I was amazed by the power. I'm used to older 2 strokes so I'm trying to get familiar with oil issues.....spark plugs and anything else I need to think about. Any advice would be helpful...Thanks!
 
in reality with the 4-tec all you have to keep up with are the oil changes.. and the supercharger rebuilt every 100 hours.. do you have actual evidence the supercharger was rebuilt?? not trying to contradict what you say but i cant stress enough the importance of updating those washers and rebuilding at 100 hours.. maybe you can take the supercharger off and verify for your self?? a simple 15 minute job can save you about 4 grand for a complete motor rebuild..

what were your max rpms out on the water?

congrats on your purchase and welcome :cheers: post some pics of your new ski when you can !!
 
Hello...thanks for the response and sorry it's taken me so long to reply. Yes, I do have proof the supercharger was rebuilt in the form of the dealer receipt. I can't imagine they'd lie about that. I took it out the last 3 days and it's run amazing......70 MPH at top speed and maybe a little over....the max RPM's was 8000....what should it be? Thanks for your input!
 
Hello...thanks for the response and sorry it's taken me so long to reply. Yes, I do have proof the supercharger was rebuilt in the form of the dealer receipt. I can't imagine they'd lie about that. I took it out the last 3 days and it's run amazing......70 MPH at top speed and maybe a little over....the max RPM's was 8000....what should it be? Thanks for your input!

You should top out at 8100...8150 is the hard limiter.

....you said...
I just bought a 2005 RXT with 120 hours from a dealer here in town. The previous owner took it in to get some work done and elected to get a new ski. It got a new supercharger.....updated washers.....jet pump rebuilt as well as a full service job.
The thing you should be asking yourself...why do you have a new sc? What happened that a new sc was required?
 
Your RPMs should be right around 8100 or so. You're ok in that department. Not to burst your bubble but you weren't going 70mph. These speedos are notoriously optimistic. A stock ski like yours should be somewhere in the mid 60s on GPS.
 
good point.....all I know was that I'm going much faster than I'm used to on my old 2 strokes......sure have a lot of power to me. How often does the oil need to be changed on this machine......pardon my ignorance.....I just worry about these things.....I appreciate any input.
 
Change the oil, oil filter AND spark plugs (whether you think they need it or not!) every year under average usage (at end of boating season before winterizing or at beginning of boating season before 1st outting, your choice)... if you live on the water and use it every single day all summer long then you may need to change it more often, but few can put over 50 hours on 1 in a single boating season. Rebuild or replace the supercharger every 100 hours like clockwork (there is a guy named Jerry at GreenHulk who you can pull your supercharger and mail it to and he'll rebuild it for you if you buy the kit he supplies for a nominal fee, very much worth it and he's got fast turn-around I'm told!).

Finally, unless you store it in a climate controlled garage or storage area you need to be certain to winterize it before the 1st freeze of the winter season, then de-winterize it every spring after you're sure the last freeze has passed! Winterizing involves running antifreeze thru the jetpump and into the intercooler and exhaust system lines so that the water in them doesn't freeze and break things as well as "fogging" the cylinders with fogging-oil to protect them from corrosion during the winter months. Come back here and read posts in the Fall it'll be the primary thing everybody talks about then. Also when winterizing it is a good time to check the jet pump, pop the cone off the back and inspect for water intrusion and make sure there's plenty of marine grease in there things like that.

Also you might want to consider changing the antifreeze every 3 or 4 years... just like an automobile the engine coolant get's corrosive over time and needs to be replaced (some people do, some don't care and just ignore it.... your call if you want your engine to last or not!).

Was the supercharger replaced or was it merely rebuilt do you know? What people are concerned about is did the supercharger fail on this machine was that why the previous owner decided to get a new one? If the supercharger fails, it sheds parts down and into the engine case they can wreak havoc if the parts aren't cleaned out (which requires pulling the engine and splitting it apart to insure every last bit of metal is removed!). If parts are left lying loose inside the engine case they can pile up and block an oil intake screen and suddenly your engine starts to burn itsef up inside due to lack of oil pressure and the next thing you know your engine is toast! This is the concern therefore... you might want to ask the dealership what condition it was in mechanically when it was brought into them by the previous owner just so you know what to expect with it!

These machines are a blast when they're running right, but like any infernal machine they can have their downfalls. Keep reading posts on here, don't get spooked by things knowledge is power and the more you know the better! For instance, yours likely still has the hollow exhaust valve stems that have been known to snap off and destroy the cyclinders it's something you might want to look into like next winter; there's a tiny number stamped on the end of each stem the intake stems will all be stamped 72 and I believe if yours are original your exhaust stems will also be stamped 72 and that's bad it means they're hollow and they can break off (exhaust stems tend to corrode a little bit when the machine is in storage or not being used for awhile because of the residual water in the exhaust system, the corrosion can eat away at the thin hollow stem walls and then you go blasting across the water at WOT and a valve head breaks clean off and goes banging around inside the cyclinder destroying the head if not the entire engine fun stuff that!).

Finally, consider installing an auto-electric bilge pump they can save you from sinking the machine and they don't cost a lot and are pretty easy to install... literally an ounce of prevention is worth a few thousand dollars (the cost of a new engine possibly!) of cure here, and significant peace of mind! Yes there is a built-in water extraction system but it's low volume and only works while the engine is running it doesn't remove a drop of water if you're at anchor or tied to a dock getting lunch AND if the hull does fill with water the last thing you ever want to do is jump on and try to start the engine it can ingest water and lock itself up causing significant damage! People actually forget to put their bilge plugs in when launching, go to park their vehicle and come back to find their SeaDoo sinking... an automatic electric bilge pump will let you know instantly that there's water getting into the hull as you'll see it shooting water out the discharge port AND it buys you more time to rectify the situation!

You have much to learn my young Jedi apprentice! ;-)

- Michael
 
Wow....what great information. I thank you for that!.......These were the issues when the previous owner took it to the dealer: Maintenance light flashes when PWC is turned off, PWC runner rough and smells of gas.

Diagnosed by Tech: Fouled plug on #1 cylinder, recommend full service...wear ring has damage and impeller has been ground on...recommend both be replaced..rebuild jet pump....recommend replace with updated super charger


Work done: Reset MIT light....changed oil and filter......new plugs installed....replaced supercharger....rebuilt jet pump
all for $1916.20...........I suppose this means problems to come????
 
The biggest reason to change the coolant is not because it looses the ability to cool your engine and not freeze in winter storage, it is because anti-freeze looses its ability to lubricate as it ages. In automotive engines this is a pretty big issue as it is what keeps water pumps alive for years and years.

Our 4-tech engines are basically the same thing as a small automotive engine. With the lubrication process it coats and protects the metal as well. It doesn't really get corrosive over the years as much as it looses its ability to protect the various metal parts.
 
Wow....what great information. I thank you for that!.......These were the issues when the previous owner took it to the dealer: Maintenance light flashes when PWC is turned off, PWC runner rough and smells of gas.

Diagnosed by Tech: Fouled plug on #1 cylinder, recommend full service...wear ring has damage and impeller has been ground on...recommend both be replaced..rebuild jet pump....recommend replace with updated super charger


Work done: Reset MIT light....changed oil and filter......new plugs installed....replaced supercharger....rebuilt jet pump
all for $1916.20...........I suppose this means problems to come????

Look..all that plug/pump/ring/prop stuff is great. The questions you should be asking that tec...

Why was the sc replaced. And what did he replace it with?
 
With the lubrication process it coats and protects the metal as well. It doesn't really get corrosive over the years as much as it looses its ability to protect the various metal parts.

That's pretty much the same thing I said, if it's lost it's lubrication and coating properties then it's basically stale/stagnant water and water combined with metal causes rust water is corrosive to metal. But you say tomAtos I say tomatos, the point is the coolant is a wear item and should be replaced periodically I need to replace mine this summer it's hit 4 years old already.

Preventive maintenance may seem expensive troublesome and unnecessary, but compared to replacing your entire engine it's darned cheap and easy! The learning curve on these machines is high unless you just don't care and have more dollars than sense in your bank account... but we all were newbies about our SeaDoos at one point in time, it's not rocket science.

Regards.

- Michael
 
Work done: Reset MIT light....changed oil and filter......new plugs installed....replaced supercharger....rebuilt jet pump
all for $1916.20...........I suppose this means problems to come????

Not necessarily, but it would be worth a call to ask just why the supercharger was replaced rather than rebuilt (normally they would simply rebuild it if it was due, not replace!)... was the previous supercharger working at all when it was brought in and if it wasn't what did the service shop do to clean the broken SC parts out of the engine? For that price, there's no doubt they didn't pull the engine out or open it up to clean it inside!

We don't mean to alarm you, it's just something you need to find out so you can enjoy it this summer and for many to come with confidence.... failed superchargers are always a concern if the engine isn't properly cleaned out afterwards and that's expensive!

Oh also how long do they warranty their work? You need to know this too just in case!

- Michael
 
I called today and I was told that the previous owner took it in originally to rebuild his supercharger but decided to spend a little extra money to get a more powerful one. He said everything was replaced new....housing compartment etc......I was also told I won't need a rebuild on this new supercharger for 200 hrs vs. 100. Make sense?
 
Ok let's phrase this a different way.... when it was brought in by the previous owner was the supercharger still working, or not? If it was not working that would be because it blew apart inside the engine shedding parts down into the engine case and that's what's important to know here. It's strange that they replaced it instead of rebuilding it, IMHO.

Even though BRP says the new superchargers can go 200 hrs between scheduled maintenance, that's being met with a lot of skepticism by those who professionaly rebuild these superchargers on a daily basis... I'd have to wonder if BRP is going to warranty these superchargers not to fail in 200 hrs of operation and will that warranty cover cleaning out the engine case if they do fail prior to 200 hrs of operation?

Note: There are a lot of tiny bearings inside the supercharger that spin at extremely high speeds, if any one of them fails the entire thing blows apart and makes a huge mess inside your engine (there is no oil-pan to these engines, the engine has to be pulled out of the hull and completely split apart into 2 halves to get to all the spaces inside where oil and possible sc pieces may be resting after a failure it's not fun at all I've had mine apart to replace a connecting rod once!).

- Michael
 
Hey did you get an owners manual to go with your RXT? If not, get one ASAP... read it cover to cover one evening here soon there's lots of good info in the owner's manual on how to properly tow and upright your hull without damaging it (meaning there are ways to improperly tow and upright it that can damage the engine!). There's much good info in the owner's manual you really need to know!

Regards!

- Michael
 
I was also told I won't need a rebuild on this new supercharger for 200 hrs vs. 100. Make sense?

Tell ya what, I think you should defer worrying about when to rebuild this new supercharger till you get close to 100 hrs of operation on it... that should take roughly another 4 to 5 years at least! When it nears 100 hrs of operation do some research check with a SeaDoo dealership's service manager or two see how well these 200 hr superchargers have been holding up and if BRP is still holding to the 200 hr recomendation AND come back here and see what other folks are saying about them then. Who knows you may not even own this machine by that time and it'll be a moot point, but no point in worrying about it today one way or the other.

On failed superchargers, yours originally had a supercharger with ceramic clutch washers in it that made it operate and they were very bad about cracking and falling apart well before the sc's first 100 hrs of operation and when they did fall out they went down into the engine's inner workings and well you can imagine what broken up ceramic washer pieces can do loose inside the engine (they're steel now in the new superchargers and rebuild kits, btw!)! The dealerships would try to flush the pieces out of the engine case by removing the oil pumps (there are 2 of them) and flushing a solution thru the engine and then trying to re-construct the washers to see how much of them they could flush out... if they got most of the washers out they called it a day. This is bad, ceramic pieces could still be floating around in the oil inside the engine where there are lots of gears and bearings and stuff to tear up but oh well. :-(

Even worse though is when a supercharger blows apart, tiny bearings and other pieces just go flying thru the insides of the engine and yet again the dealerships do the same thing and try to flush whatever they can out thru the oil pump mounting holes and then call it a day and hope nothing left in the engine will cause damage in the future... but who knows about that?

For the dollar amount you quoted earlier, there's no chance they pulled that engine out and apart to clean it out inside... the only 100% sure fire way to remove any and all pieces from a failed supercharger (either the original ceramic clutch washers or bearings and other pieces from a blown supercharger... neither is a good thing!).

Hope you understand the concern we're having now... what we'd all like to hear is the dealership saying "yes the *supercharger* was still working and completely intact when it was brought in to us but it was past it's 100 hrs service interval and instead of rebuilding it we decided to just replace it with a brand new updated supercharger with the 200 hr service interval period". That's what YOU should want to hear, anything else is just jibberish or really bad new IMHO.

- Michael
 
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