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sumtingwong

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94 xp I rebuilt the carbs,it now seems to idle possibly too fast, the tach doesn't work. i could probably adjust it once i got it in the water, but would like to have it all together before i do. so if i adjust idle on mag carb is there any idle adjustment to match on pto carb?
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There's only a single idle speed adjustment screw, otherwise the carb butterflies cannot not be kept synchronized. BTW, hopefully you didn't disturb the butterfly synchronization or at least checked/adjusted it as per the manual.

Every carburetor has lean and rich mixture adjustment screws, the service manual suggested mixture screw position normally works just fine and no further adjustment is necessary.

The normal idle speed will be at least 2x on the trailer compared to in the water due to the impeller has no water surrounding it. For instance, my 951 is set to idle close to 1600 RPM in water but on the trailer that's about 3500~3600 RPM. That's not exactly a gentle lope.

Engine dieseling speed runaway:

If trailer idle speed is set too high or too lean, these engines occasionally can go into a kind of compression ignition mode where they will run away to high speed and might even melt down without intervention so be prepared if this happens, it's not something you might experience on a regular basis but it indicates there might be carburetor or crankshaft seal issues.

Anyway, in case the engine does run away while on the trailer be prepared to pull the choke lever to stop it from self-destructing. Thus this is a good reason to keep the cold engine choke system operational and adjusted.

Further, a compression ignition runaway cannot occur in the water due to jet pump/impeller is flooded with water and presents a constant load.
 
thanks, was thinking there was only 1idle speed screw,i did set hight and low speed jets to specs on both carbs but after i bolted it all up and started it, could only see the 1
idle speed screw, and as one does on their first project, began to wonder......lots of things not easy to see on a ski! but the more i do the more familiar i get thanks to you guys! i do appreciate the help and advice. got any advice on the oem tach not working? fuel guage doesn't work either....possibly my next project.
thanks again
will i ever get used to working on things looking in a mirror??????
 
There's only a single idle speed adjustment screw, otherwise the carb butterflies cannot not be kept synchronized. BTW, hopefully you didn't disturb the butterfly synchronization or at least checked/adjusted it as per the manual.

Every carburetor has lean and rich mixture adjustment screws, the service manual suggested mixture screw position normally works just fine and no further adjustment is necessary.

The normal idle speed will be at least 2x on the trailer compared to in the water due to the impeller has no water surrounding it. For instance, my 951 is set to idle close to 1600 RPM in water but on the trailer that's about 3500~3600 RPM. That's not exactly a gentle lope.

Engine dieseling speed runaway:

If trailer idle speed is set too high or too lean, these engines occasionally can go into a kind of compression ignition mode where they will run away to high speed and might even melt down without intervention so be prepared if this happens, it's not something you might experience on a regular basis but it indicates there might be carburetor or crankshaft seal issues.

Anyway, in case the engine does run away while on the trailer be prepared to pull the choke lever to stop it from self-destructing. Thus this is a good reason to keep the cold engine choke system operational and adjusted.

Further, a compression ignition runaway cannot occur in the water due to jet pump/impeller is flooded with water and presents a constant load.

Sportster you just sparked a good memory of mine.:lol:

Very true story about a runaway 2 stroke! It can happen and will scare the crap out of you to know its screaming 10k rpm with no key in it and way to kill it.

Heres a little story.. Had a 951 I put a new set of carbs on back in 2010, apparently I didn't prime the carbs up all the way, it was 2 am and I was tired and ready to hear the thing run for a minute before I called it a night. Had the air box off and the choke cable wasn't hooked up yet. I hit the start button and it fired right up, sounded real nice too. Two seconds later it started to lean out and off she went boys!!

Needless to say after scrambling around, pulling the key, pressing the stop button, running out the of garage and back in a few times in a panic... off came my shirt and into the carbs it went!
That shut her down quick and it didn't damage anything, but damn it man it sure scared the hell out of me and all my neighbors who might not appreciate the harmony of a 951 screaming out of control at 2 am. When I opened my garage door Im pretty sure it looked like cheech and chongs house there was so much 2 stroke smoke rolling out.

Needless to say, the choke cable is the first thing to get hooked up while doing any carb work now. :thumbsup:
 
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lol glad to know this happened with some buddy else also, I almost had a heart attack, and I killed w/ my hands!!!
 
thanks, was thinking there was only 1idle speed screw,i did set hight and low speed jets to specs on both carbs but after i bolted it all up and started it, could only see the 1
idle speed screw, and as one does on their first project, began to wonder......lots of things not easy to see on a ski! but the more i do the more familiar i get thanks to you guys! i do appreciate the help and advice. got any advice on the oem tach not working? fuel guage doesn't work either....possibly my next project.
thanks again
will i ever get used to working on things looking in a mirror??????

About the 1000th time you'll find less need for a mirror but keep one handy b/c there's some stuff that can't be done without one.

The fuel gauge issue could be the fuel tank baffle. To test the gauge you can eliminate the baffle by disconnecting the 2-wire connector at the baffle and jump the gauge side with a paperclip wire. Press the start switch with the lanyard removed and the gauge should move to "F" full scale. If not, the gauge may be defective but if the gauge does go full then suspect the tiny chip fuse inside the baffle, or the magnetic float has fallen out of the bottom of baffle. Sometimes the float can be full of fuel and won't rise with fuel level.

For the tachometer, I'm guessing the gauge is bad. Maybe the fuel gauge as well. Once water gets into these (mainly from sitting outdoors in weather) the movement corrodes and becomes stuck.

But make sure to check the connections, sometimes they can be lose or corroded. Also check for 12V power and make sure the ground wire is good back to the battery negative terminal. I often just use a handheld trailer test light (mine has a small light bulb inside) for these tests, you can connect it to battery negative or positive and wherever you need to set up your test.

On those carbs, don't forget to check your oil injection pump is correctly adjusted, there's a cable operated lever on the oil injection pump that should move as you squeeze the throttle, with a rotary spring that moves the lever back to the idle position as you release the throttle lever. The oil injection is a nice feature and is dead-reliable when it's in good condition and set up properly, you can skip this of course if you're pre-mixing the fuel but IMO the oil injection is well worth keeping considering the little bit of effort needed to keep it working.

Some other things to look for are the tubing nipples pressed into the oil injection pump can become lose and begin leaking, the small 3/32" Tygon F-4040-A tubing will eventually rot thus should be replaced, and the bleed screw is easy to break off if you tighten it too much.

Hmm what else.... Oh yeah, the engine is much more likely to run great on the trailer but won't even start in the water, so don't take the entire family with tents sleeping bags and coolers to the ramp 1st time with an expectation the 1st time out will be trouble-free.

Check your cylinder compression if you haven't yet, poor cylinder compression can steal the show.

Always use good fresh and clean fuel, I drain my fuel tank bone dry in winter so there's no chance of skunky stale fuel roating a piston or sticking a ring and I can spend the extra few $$ on fuel as opposed to stabil.

92rslt1, glad it didn't punch customized vent-windows in your case, esp the 951 and 787 can become runaway children..... sometimes an empty fuel tank is the root cause...
 
i have read about the runaway situation....will i remember how to kill it in that moment???? suppose if all else fails shirt or hand s will get the job done! thanks for the tips, will probably be the ones i remember. sportster-thanks again,i have only a Clymer manual and so far not too impressed, but am learning some terminology. i replaced the overheat buzzer today...next time i will cut the wires and relocate the buzzer,now that i know which ones they are for sure.poor old bar pad will not survive another disassembly,and may be days before sticky goo wears off my hands! by thy way, whats the trick to removing the wires from the connectors??
thanks
 
Mr. Wong, I'm pretty sure those are the Packard weatherproof connector shells you are removing the pins from, in that case the tool is TT 600-4 and just a buck or two from fleabay.
 
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