Runs but no beep

[seadudebob]

My 1999 GTI won't beep but starts and runs with no problems. I plugged the beeper into my 1997 GTI and it beeps. All connections are tight and dry, fuses are good and the voltage readings at the beeper connector is the same as the '97. Any and all suggestions are welcomed.

 

[seadudebob]

I would appreciate if someone could give me some troubleshooting tips. I have concerns about engine damage if the beeper isn’t working properly and won't give me any warning.

 

[USAF_Pride]

You are in the boat section instead of the PWC section. Maybe [MENTION=31048]LouDoo[/MENTION] can move it for you. If you ground the temp sensor wire, does the buzzer go off?

 

[seadudebob]

My fault, I thought I was in the PWC section. How do I ground the temp sensor wire? Do I remove it from the temp sensor and ground it?

 

[LouDoo]

Just ground the temp. sensor lead. Even though you tried the beeper from this ski in your other ski, I'm thinking it's still the beeper. The beeper is really just a backup to the visual warning system. Are you getting any visual warnings such as low oil, low fuel, overheat, etc?

Try the beeper from the other ski into this one, if it functions properly replace the beeper. You can get a replacement for under $10.00 at Radio Shack. The beeper is very temperamental sometime a good wap with the handle end of a screwdriver will "fix" the problem.

Here's an older thread on the subject:

http://www.seadooforum.com/showthread.php?46758-Beeper-replacement

Moving this to the 2-stroke PWC section.

Lou

 

[seadudebob]

I just purchased the ski and checking out the systems before I take it on its maiden voyage so no visual warnings. I'll ground the temp sensor and if necessary swap out the beepers.

 

[Ryan Cassidy]

It was the beeper on mine... suffice it to say, if you hook it up on the hose and there is no water coming out of the spout on the side of the skii you'll have overheating issues. from what i've gathered it almost always the beeper though.

 

[Bills86e]

You can scrap a little paint off a head bolt and touch the temp sensor there while at idle. The beeper should sound

 

[LouDoo]

Sorry to do this guys but this thread is becoming unmanageable. I'm afraid the only way to fix it is to delete some of the posts, I'm doing this to try to be fair to the original thread author.

Patsl, please start a new thread with your problem in the 2-stroke sport boat section. Again I'm really sorry, it's part my fault I should have caught this earlier, I hope you all understand.

I did a soft delete on the posts so if anyone wants them moved and restored to a new thread I will be happy to do so, just let me know.

Lou

 

[68ragtop]

I am not sure if this fits or if the information is even needed anymore, but I had a 97 XP that intermittently would not give the beeps, sometimes for the whole weekend but yet would work if connected to 12V. Tested it several times. finally Replaced it & no more problems. I thought it was worth mentioning because these things get such a short blip of voltage when installing the lanyard that they can be bad, but yet work when continuous power is applied such as tripping the temp alert circuit.

Just something I stumbled on & thought it was worth sharing.

 

[seadudebob]

Sorry to post a late response to my 'runs but no beep' problem but I had to travel out of town and took a week's worth or deserved vacation. I grounded out the temp lead with no success. Because the beepers are cheap I purchased one from Floyd and it works perfect.

I took it out for a ride this weekend and it ran find for about 2 hours until I hit a wave and it died and would not turn over. I put in a new battery but that wasn't the problem. The starter engages but will not turn over the motor. I'll search the site for troubleshooting tips but may be needed some more advice in the near future.

 

[68ragtop]

Sorry to post a late response to my 'runs but no beep' problem but I had to travel out of town and took a week's worth or deserved vacation. I grounded out the temp lead with no success. Because the beepers are cheap I purchased one from Floyd and it works perfect.

I took it out for a ride this weekend and it ran find for about 2 hours until I hit a wave and it died and would not turn over. I put in a new battery but that wasn't the problem. The starter engages but will not turn over the motor. I'll search the site for troubleshooting tips but may be needed some more advice in the near future.

If you are hearing a clicking sound, but not turning over, its very possible you are hearing the solenoid & not the starter. The solenoid makes a very solid "clunk" sound when activated. Seems odd however that your ski would quit running & then have a solenoid problem. Hopefully your engine is not seized & it sounds like that's a possibility too.

 

[Bills86e]

You may have stripped the rotary valve Brass Gear!
Suggest you remove the plastic drive cover, so you can hand turn the crank.
Remove the RV cover (that proceedure is in the Manual) and see if the valve plate moves as you turn the crank L + R by hand. If so you will need to remove the motor and split the caseings to remove all
the particles in the lower crankcase!

 

[seadudebob]

The motor is locked up. After removing the plugs I cannot turn the PTO by hand and the drive shaft barely moves when I bump the starter. So –
1) How does the automatic oiler work?
2) Is it safe to assume the oiling system failed and if so are they problematic and should I disconnect it on my 1997 Sea Doo GTI and mix oil in with the gas? Unfortunately I did not receive any warning beep.
3) Can the motor be rebuilt or is it cost effective to buy one online that offers a no fault warranty?

Thanks again for your responses.

 

[68ragtop]

While its very probable that the engine is tight, I would remove the impeller & pump assembly to make sure it didn't seize.

The oil pumps are normally very reliable, there are usually more problems surrounding the pump. cracked oil lines, broken cable, etc.

If it is your engine, It will be hard to really tell what caused your failure without tearing it down. A lean condition can very commonly take it out. when an engine goes lean & the clearances disappear in the cylinder the piston starts to rub on the walls. Once that happens, that creates more friction & more heat & the whole thing becomes a disaster in a few moments.

If your not familiar with rebuilding a seadoo engine, I would go with a rebuilt. There are lots of guys with great results going that route. But, you do need to figure out what caused the probe before dropping in a new engine.

First thing tho, pull the jet pump & make sure that isn't the problem. We can cross our fingers.

 

[LouDoo]

The oil injection system is very reliable, but like anything else it does require some basic maintenance, the oil filter needs to be replaced, I do mine every other year, and the oil injection lines can become old and brittle. And yes you should have an alarm when the oil tank becomes low, the oil tank holds over one gallon of oil, my alarm comes on with about 1/2 tank of oil left, so you should have ample warning. Lack of oil can be a possibility of engine failure, but that's usually not the case.

Also make sure you are using the correct oil, you should be using either a mineral or synthetic blend API-TC rated oil. Use of a TC-W3 oil is not instant death to an engine, but it certainly will shorten engine life.

A more likely cause is a lean condition caused by faulty fuel lines, if your ski still has grey tempo fuel lines this is a real possibility. Modern fuels with ethanol tend to break down the glue binder in these fuel lines and a green goo will be distributed through the fuel system causing a lean condition.

All that being said be certain that your motor is seized. Like ragtop said remove the pump and make sure it's not the pump that's seized, it also could be a jammed starter bendix.

Lou

 

[seadudebob]

I bought the doo used and before its maiden voyage installed a new fuel and oil filter, lubed everything per the owners manual. I know the previous owners used Quick Silver API-TC oil and the tank was 3/4 full when I took it out for a run. However it does have the grey tempo fuel lines. I'll pull the pump and report back but it will be a week or so before I can get around to it. In the meantime I will definitely replace the grey tempo lines on the other doo. Any other suggestions are appreciated including tips to remove the pump.

 

[seadudebob]

Can anyone recommend a reputable engine supplier in the event I need a new engine?

 

[AdamXP800]

SES does quality work but turn around is slow. SBT builds a good engine and it will be on your door step in 3 days with a 1 or 2 year no fault warranty

 

[seadudebob]

The pump was removed and can be turned over by hand. With the plugs removed I turned the motor over with the starter but turned over slowly and is difficult to rotate the PTO by hand. I am correct in assuming the motor needs to be replaced?