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Rear Plug Leaking (Update)

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I ordered a few new plugs for the rear of the Jet Skis. These things are garbage. The water leaks right past the o-rings. I find the gasket type works better. Where can I purchase the gaskets or do I need to order the whole part? I tried using a little larger o-ring than what they came with but I still have to tweak it to keep it from leaking. Help is appreciated. Hook me up !!
 
Thanks. The ones I purchased I am sure were aftermarket. They don't hold very well and you can't tighten them up enough to get them to hold. Junk !!
 
You can buy the plug on ebay for $8.49 shipped and search the gasket part# on ebay too. Plenty out there. Avoid the aftermarket crap, you'll only chase your ass on problems.

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OKay... initially when riding this ski I suspected that the siphons were leaking into the engine compartment. I checked the white tubes to make sure they were in place and eventually clamped off the siphon tubes to prevent water coming into the hull. NOTE: the hull plug was leaking but it was hard for me to convince myself the dirty water could get in past that plug. I spent a good deal of time checking the engine, replaced hoses, inspected the water box...... everything I could think of. So.... after 4 visits to the launch and about 1 hr of riding here is what i have confirmed.

The siphons are indeed leaking water into the hull. Here is how they do it. When the ski is going straight, they siphon water out of the hull, I am not sure of their efficiency. If I go straight I get very little water. When I turn the ski, a lot of water comes through the siphons. Left or Right turn... doesn't matter. I'll get a quart of water in there doing a 180 degree turn. I had the most difficult time trying to prove this. I'd ride for 15 minutes and see a little water in the hull. Then I would say, I'm gonna have some fun. After about 10 minutes of that.... the hull probably had 10 gallons of water or more.

Anyway, I'm gonna pull the nozzle and have a look. I need to do an oil change anyway. I may pull the jet pump while I'm there and have a look at everything. Wear rings looks good. Perhaps an inexperienced owner/mechanic wasn't quite up to speed. :)
 
The tubes enter the hull, the rubber tubes then connect and go upwards to yellow 90° fittings. On the sides of those fittings there is a hole. Are those holes open? Also the tubes have to go as high as they'll go. On the exit nozzle of the pump there should be two "straws" , if they're missing the system will not work. This setup is very efficient and extremely simple, provided outs all in place properly. Turning should have no effect.
 
OKay... initially when riding this ski I suspected that the siphons were leaking into the engine compartment. I checked the white tubes to make sure they were in place and eventually clamped off the siphon tubes to prevent water coming into the hull. NOTE: the hull plug was leaking but it was hard for me to convince myself the dirty water could get in past that plug. I spent a good deal of time checking the engine, replaced hoses, inspected the water box...... everything I could think of. So.... after 4 visits to the launch and about 1 hr of riding here is what i have confirmed.

The siphons are indeed leaking water into the hull. Here is how they do it. When the ski is going straight, they siphon water out of the hull, I am not sure of their efficiency. If I go straight I get very little water. When I turn the ski, a lot of water comes through the siphons. Left or Right turn... doesn't matter. I'll get a quart of water in there doing a 180 degree turn. I had the most difficult time trying to prove this. I'd ride for 15 minutes and see a little water in the hull. Then I would say, I'm gonna have some fun. After about 10 minutes of that.... the hull probably had 10 gallons of water or more.

Anyway, I'm gonna pull the nozzle and have a look. I need to do an oil change anyway. I may pull the jet pump while I'm there and have a look at everything. Wear rings looks good. Perhaps an inexperienced owner/mechanic wasn't quite up to speed. :)

There's orings between the jet pump/hull/nozzle for those siphon lines, ck for that when you get it apart. I'd consider an auto bilge for piece of mind, that's a lot of water to take on you're describing. It's cheap to replace the lines going from the hull to yellow fittings to bailers in the bottom of the hull. For about $4 for 3/8" clear vinyl line at the local Home Depot, then you could ride with the seat off and get a look at what's happening. I notice when my siphon bailers have been working or not after I ride, I see some residual water in then lines. So far after about 10-12 hrs in the last month I haven't had my backup auto bilge kick on..
 
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O-rings on the nozzle side were broken with the bottom half of each simply "not there." No Gasket Eliminator on the nozzle. I pulled the pump and the Wear Ring was brittle so I am replacing it. I'll bet this ski has been having this issue a long time which is why it "SAT"
 
Okie Dokie.... after my cup of coffee I'm going back together the rest of the way with this thing. Then we are going riding.
 
I'm just letting you know.......carbs, fuel lines, oil lines, fuel tank, filter and jet pump. If you're buying a used ski you have to go thru every one of those. If you think for a second that it's fine and you don't need to pull it and go thru it you're sadly mistaken. I won't ride a ski that I haven't gone thru all the major components, I'm not driving to the river to find out I'm having issues I could have already solved.
 
Okie Dokie.... after my cup of coffee I'm going back together the rest of the way with this thing. Then we are going riding.

Is this one of the GTX's you bought over a year ago? I didn't realize you never went through the jet pump, I know you've been focused on carbs and RAVEs on these things, but dude...
 
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This is a 1995 GTX I got 2 months ago. I got two of those and a 96 GTI. . These are skis I am fixing up to sell. My personal skis are 96 and 97 GTXs. I'm deciding which two seaters I am keeping. I'm sure it gets confusing for you guys. :)
 
This is a 1995 GTX I got 2 months ago. I got two of those and a 96 GTI. . These are skis I am fixing up to sell. My personal skis are 96 and 97 GTXs. I'm deciding which two seaters I am keeping. I'm sure it gets confusing for you guys. :)

Maybe update your signature block, it shows like 3 skis... You're correct, it's confusing....you seem to have more skis than anyone on here.
 
I just thought I'd share a problem that seemed to me kinda strange in hopes it may help someone. I can see this issue tripping a lot of people. Fact is... the siphons can and do leak water into the ski hull in the right circumstances. I learned a whole lot finding this problem and I'll see it quicker next time. It was quite the chase and I had to weave through a number of paths. When one has checked everything else, the one path left... however unlikely is the solution. That is why I enjoy working on mechanical equipment... the chase.

If I had not put that empty pan in the hull and placed the siphons in the pan, and rode the ski with the seat off and noted what was happening and when.... I would have simply stumbled on the problem and not have identified it. It was a lot of work but fun in the end cuz I took it to the hole and emerged victorious !! :D:D:D
 
What anyone could learn from this thread.... 1. Aftermarket hull plugs can be crappy and not work effectively. 2. Pull the jet pump off first and check the bilge siphoning before buying hull plugs. 3. Never trust the last owner did anything correctly before going out on the water...
 
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Like I said, I Post here for information and to help others that may experience the same problem. There are a few people that make visiting this board worthwhile, then there is the opportunity to help others. I'll put up with the disparaging remarks and ludicrous suppositions till I decide not to.
 
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