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Is this noise normal?

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IDoSeaDoo

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Hey guys, I'm getting ready to install the motor in my challenger for the first time, and went to crank it over and measure compression. Upon cranking, I noticed a curious knocking sound. This engine received new valves and gaskets over a year ago. It was lubed during assembly but has sat for over a year. Here is a video of it cranking
https://youtu.be/-Dm6zGevQ0M
Could you please tell me if this sound is normal, if I need to tear into it, I'd rather do it before something blows up.
Thanks
 
Lifters are a likely option since it has set for so long. No oil left in top of engine, hence the clicking sound. I would think it will be fine when oil pressure gets up.
 
When I stroe a motor I prefer to install the plugs and block everything off so bees and varmints can't build nests, etc., and keep moisture out. I guess if you did all that this raises the level of confidence. If while cranking over it should build oil pressure and lifters should pump up, etc. So there's at least one location you can install a pressure gauge to make sure there's oil pressure before further cranking.

How'd the compression check go?
 
I had plugs in, cylinders oiled, everything internally lubed and all holes taped off. Compression was 150, 150 and 120. Oil in the 120 brought it right back. Cylinders must be dry after sitting.
The engine has 0 oil in it since I had it torn down for new valves and chain. It has not run since and has been in storage. I'm just praying that it's not bottom end knock.
 
A click is up top and a clunk is in the bottom. Can you put oil in it as it sits and then jump the starter? Remember the 4tec timing chain tensioner uses oil pressure to function.
 
I don't think I want to do that while the driveshaft is not in. I will spill oil all over the place trying to get it into the boat. I forgot about the tensioner. I will stop cranking it over until I get oil in there. I think you guys are right though, it was more a click vs a clunk, and it seemed to occur more than once per revolution, indicating that it was indeed head noise.
 
Yeah, don't be cranking it over without oil, that will wipe out the bearings. Make a plug for the open crank end if you have to crank it over oil being pumped throughout will avoid grinding your bearings to dust. Honestly, before I installed it I would consider getting oil pumping up through the push rods, by hook or crook.

Probably the lower compression in the one cylinder was just a slight bit of rust the rings wiped away, no biggie I see that all the time before starting up motors that sat around for years, valve seats will grow some of that same hair too.
 
Not sure what you mean, get oil pumping through push rods. If I pour oil in, won't it just leak out the drive shaft hole?

It was never my intention to start the engine after just pouring the oil in. Everything inside was liberally lubricated upon assembly, and hence shouldn't be dry. Once the motor is sitting in its new home and has the driveshaft in place, I was going to turn it over with the starter, but with the plugs out, so there is less stress on the crank bearings. Other than that, I don't know how to prime the oil passages.
 
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I don't think I want to do that while the driveshaft is not in. I will spill oil all over the place trying to get it into the boat. I forgot about the tensioner. I will stop cranking it over until I get oil in there. I think you guys are right though, it was more a click vs a clunk, and it seemed to occur more than once per revolution, indicating that it was indeed head noise.

I see what your saying but this is kind of a hit or miss situation. Either put oil in it and make sure everything is fine but then have to deal with oil spilling, or put it in the boat just to find out it has to come back out.

As Sportster said making some kind of plug would be ideal.
 
I'm still not sure how to get oil pumping without actually turning it over. I will turn over once installed without plugs. I will Def avoid a dry start
 
Exactly, you have the option of installing and going from there or putting oil in the crankcase and spinning it over or maybe forcing oil into the oil gallery by pumping it in.

I'm just saying, it's not a good idea to keep spinning the engine unless there's oil being pumped through the bearings. One way of knowing this is watching for oil coming up through pushrods to lubricate the rocker arms.

I usually start and run all engine replacements 20 minutes at high idle before installing in boats (such as stern drives) and I always make sure the oiling system is primed before cranking or starting them. It's probably not possible to fire up a 4-tec before dropping it in but maybe possible to prime the oiling system before cranking or during cranking it over with plugs out.

WHAT IF you drop it in and fire it up and the oil pump cavitates air thus doesn't develop oil pressure the first 90 seconds of running, the bearings will be ruined. Priming the oiling system avoids this possibility. Another alternative is by packing the oil pump with vaseline, many times new oil pumps come already packed with vaseline to avoid air cavitation during initial startup. Bottom line, the rotating assembly will be damaged if spun too much with no lubrication.

FWIW, while in storage sitting around, I find synthetic lubricants tend to run off and out of wetted bearing surfaces and cylinder walls faster than conventional lubricants. Synthetics are typically thinner, maybe that's the only reason why? Synthetics being thinner are more easily pumped up through the rotating assembly thus you might argue the oiling system pressure comes up faster.

I wouldn't argue against synthetic's lubricating properties but in my mind, dino oils provide better protection during storage.

Anyway, good luck and I agree with the above you really can't judge the engine until there's oil pressure throughout.
 
Well gents, you are right, it was dry lifter noise. I filled her with oil and cranked without plugs and behold, the noise went away. You could hear it diminishing as more and more oil found its place.
Now there is a new problem though. I'm getting an oil leak from the dive shaft. Does the carbon seal hat have to be installed for the drive shaft to make a good deal? The seals are new and shaft is perfect. Bumper installed on the end
 
There should be a carrier bearing held to the PTO by an accordion boot. I believe the bearing has orings in it that the drive shaft slips thru into the PTO. Change the bearing and the boot.
 
The problem turned out to be that I bought the wrong carrier bearing. I got one for an 09/10 model. The right one is in the mail already, but I now have to wait two more days to launch this 2 year old project. I'm that kid on Christmas Eve who just can't fall asleep fast enough.
 
The problem turned out to be that I bought the wrong carrier bearing. I got one for an 09/10 model. The right one is in the mail already, but I now have to wait two more days to launch this 2 year old project. I'm that kid on Christmas Eve who just can't fall asleep fast enough.
Did paper products have anything to do with the noise? :p
 
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