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1995 XP Bogging Down

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Chadly8301

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My 95 Xp with a 720 runs good at idle out of water. I put it in water with a load and it just boggs and backfires through carbs. Compression at 135 and 140 psi. checked rotary valve timing and is correct. Tried my extra set of carbs. no change. Also a spare MPEM still no change. Was leaning on a possible mag./timing concern. I'm a fuel injection 4 stroke guy learnin the inside and out of these carb. 2 strokes!! But fun too learn something new!! Thanks in advance, Chad
 
I actually bought it with this concern. I never messed with the stator but i'm not exactly sure what the previous guy did to it. I was thinking at first a fuel issue but ruled that out first.
 
I don't know if that was ever worked on. I was going to change it over i have a spare magneto assy from another ski that i was going to try but didn't want to do that until i got some input because i'm not sure how to time the ignition up. I have the flywheel off right now but just stopped there...
 
The ski uses the four wire stator & matching flywheel. The Stator alignment mark is
at 9 0'clock.

Stator Timing

It takes three 4" long x 8mm by 1.25 thread pitch metric bolts screwed into flywheel 1/4" (or you'll be into the coils behind it) to pull the flywheel useing an automotive three slotted harmonic balancer puller.

It is simple. Look for a line at the bolt slot on the 9 o'clock position of the stator when the stator is mounted so that the harness is in position to be clamped into place by the harness braket plate that goes on over the wires.

Now look at the left side of the case at the stator mounting area by where that 9 o'clock stator hold down bolt goes. See the line in the case ?
After you bolt the mag housing back onto the motor, place the stator in there so those two lines are alinged with each other and bolt down the stator. Bolt the harness bracket back on over the wireing harness from the stator. Place the mag flywheel back onto the crankshaft. Replace the mag cover. Your motor is properly timed.

Stator test
The chain of power and ground for a 720 has the ground going from the battery to the block then through the ground wire on the mag housing to the electrical box, so you cannot unplug the mag connector without losing your ground in the electrical box, but you can make a jumper wire to bypass the motor completely by running it from the neg terminal on the battery directly to the stud in the Ebox that has all of the black wires attached to it. Then, you can disconnect the mag plug. If that stops the fuse from blowing, you need a new stator.

Grey Connector
It has a "tooth" between the prongs that you remove. Then push them out of the connector useing a .093 crimp pin extractor, A Detent tool. (radio shack #274-223). In Liew, I have used a metal ball point pen tube, with good results.

Hope this ifo useful, Bills86e
 
Latest update - Put a know good used stator on the ski. Aligned up and test rode. Still doing the same exact thing. So now i'm pretty much positive it's something internal in the crankcase. Because everything external has been replaced with know good parts...
 
Just for shit's-N-Giggles... disconnect the red wire from the rectifier, and give it a try. Voltage spikes can do weird things.

Is it actually "Back Fireing"... out the carb, or is it just popping out the exhaust? If it is back fireing, that is a sign of a lean condition, or improper timing. Either on the rotary valve, or the ignition. But the improper ignition thing can be interference from a faulty regulator.

One other thing... if the rectifier doesn't' help... disconnect the wire that hooks the MPEM to the CDI/stator. That wire just grounds the engine to shut it off, and to regulate the max RPM's. You will have to kill you engine by shutting off the fuel, or grounding that wire while it's disconnected.


The more I think about it... it seems load dependent. Will it rev out of the water, or does it pop then too? If it's only load dependent... it's a timming thing.

Actually... on that thought... it can also be very high clearance in your rotary valve case.

Just a couple random thoughts.
 
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It's actually backfiring through the carbs... I checked and set the timing of the rotary valve and it was set correct. I also checked and set the timing of the stator so i know that is good also. Yea it is load dependent. I can rev it just fine out of the water with no issues but as soon as i put it in the water all it does is spit and sputter...
 
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Backfiring:
A lean carburation condition, rev limiter in mpem malfuncion,
Bad crank seals, rotary valve timing, ignition timing from sheared
keyway so flywheel position dislocated, Stator 9:30 alignment off,
Metal particles in stator coil(s), intake leak, Bad Gasoline.wrong combination of mpem-flywheel-stator.
 
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