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I've read this post numerous times all day and have had something typed at least 5 times and don't know quite what to say.

Here's my take on it.

Don't buy stuff from friends--EVER if you can help it. You don't want to low ball them because YOU will feel bad, so you pay top dollar so they are not insulted. YOU get pissed when it goes sour and can't stand that you got hosed.(not directed at you Andy--just in general)

Buying used EXPECT THE WORST and be happy if you come out on top.

Don't keep track of hours(Sorry Andy). It's taking a "hobby" and turning it into a "job". Job stands for work, work is the worst 4 letter word you can say while pursuing your hobby. If it's you're own stuff your working on you can't bill yourself for the labor, and the next guy won't give a rats azz how many hours you put into it. He's looking at the bottom line.

Take your time, do a little bit each day. Slow and easy wins the race. I'd rather miss a weekend on the water then have to get towed in. Keep it tidy and set a daily goal. Walk away when frustrated.

No matter whose flavor you own, eventually it will break. Jet boat, I/O, Outboard something is gonna fail or at least need maintenance. You can have a 16 year old jet boat the needs two engines or an MPEM, pumps. Or you can have a 16 year old boat that needs a powerhead (more money than 2 pwc engines), or a lower unit. Your Chevy or Ford powered I/O will eventually need exhaust manifolds and risers (not cheap), water pump etc... Boats are money pits plain and simple. My buddy just dropped two brand new 502's in his 1990 something Baja, $8G's a pop in the last 3 years. Bigger the boat, bigger the problems and bigger the cost. He uses it 2 maybe 3 times a year, and it sits in a garage the rest of the time.

These are toys, and ones that see some of the worst environments and don't always get the proper care. It's tough when you get upside down on a project--it blows, I get it. I like fixing/building toys like sleds, boats, skis, quads, trikes and cars(my hobbies). I try and set a realistic budget, but I'm also used to surpassing the budget. Money is not easy to come by, I'm in the same boat. Thankfully my wife doesn't question me on "Are you going to get out of it what you have into it." She knows this is my hobby and passion and that the family is going to enjoy them when I'm finished--the true value of what's spent. I do a little here and a little there but make the project solid. At the end of the project if I go over budget I don't let it get to me, I'm proud of what I built and love what I have. Almost what ever you build you won't get your cash back out of it, something that takes getting used to.

Dbrac, once you get a good season under your belt I'm sure the wife will turn around. I had about 3 seasons of port engine failures (air leak) with my Speedster. I'm the original owner, so whether it's new or used it's going to eat your cash and leave you broken down until you get it sorted out. I have had the last 5 seasons of problem free fun. This winter I think I'm tearing the engines from the Speedster and going through the carbs, putting oil injection back on, new fuel pumps and cleaning things up. It sounds like your close to get it all sorted out. Stick with it and keep positive!

Wow, that was really well said, and you make some really great points. You're absolutely right, these things are just toys. It's not like if I don't get this thing running tomorrow I won't be able to drive to work. Like you, I like fixing things and doing my own work, whether that's fixing the truck, building a car, or renovating the house... It always feels better in the end when you can say "I did that." I like projects, and while I didn't want another one, its what I've got, and I just have to start looking at it as part of the hobby. Walking away when frustrated isn't something I've always been very good at, I'm stubborn, but I'm getting better.

Cathe, my wife, has all the patience in the world, but when she said she was afraid to use the boat without me, I guess I just felt bad. But, like you said, a bit of time without a break down and she'll be back on board. She wasn't mean about it, just genuinely too nervous to take it so soon after the re-power. So thanks, I'll keep positive about it, and keep at it.

I have read your build threads a couple times. That's some phenomenal work.

Dan.
 
Well, I trusted a friend and got burnt,


Yep.... and it seems like the people you call "your friends" never really want to pay you back.

Right now... I have one buddy who can borrow my ski's if he wants. He's very mechanical... and I don't have to worry about him putting fuel in the oil tank. (LOL) FYI... there's a tread about that in the 4-tec section right now.

OK... with that said... I let friends use my skis all the time... but, I'm also out there with them. SO, if something happens... I can take care of it.

Are you saying these boats are sexy enough to make hot chicks ignore my white gut and receding hairline? I'll count that as a pro.

Yep... put a tan on the belly, and shave the head... and you are good to go.

.... I don't have the same "magic" with this thing that you, doc, lou, and the rest do. My mojo dried up. ......

We don't have much Mojo either... but that's why they make Viagra. (lol) Honestly... it's just a love for the HOBBY. I had my hands on a JetSki engine when I was 10 years old. Now that I'm +40.... I've seen a lot. Racerxxx, has the right frame of mind. Make shorter daily/weekly goals... and if you get frustrated... walk away. As I get older (and things hurt more)... I find myself slowing down on projects. It took a good 4 months to get my Islandia up and running again. I bought it as a project, because I don't have the $$$ to buy a new one... or even a used one really. Also... why pay $14k on a +10 year old boat, when things will need fixed eventually. SO... it's better to buy a "Clean" boat with a blown engine. That way... you know it will be good when you are done.


Speaking of that.... have you seen my last project thread?

http://www.seadooforum.com/showthre...ndia-Project-(Engine-rebuild-and-other-stuff)
 
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Yep... put a tan on the belly, and shave the head... and you are good to go.



We don't have much Mojo either... but that's why they make Viagra. (lol) Honestly... it's just a love for the HOBBY. I had my hands on a JetSki engine when I was 10 years old. Now that I'm +40.... I've seen a lot. Racerxxx, has the right frame of mind. Make shorter daily/weekly goals... and if you get frustrated... walk away. As I get older (and things hurt more)... I find myself slowing down on projects. It took a good 4 months to get my Islandia up and running again. I bought it as a project, because I don't have the $$$ to buy a new one... or even a used one really. Also... why pay $14k on a +10 year old boat, when things will need fixed eventually. SO... it's better to buy a "Clean" boat with a blown engine. That way... you know it will be good when you are done.


Speaking of that.... have you seen my last project thread?

http://www.seadooforum.com/showthre...ndia-Project-(Engine-rebuild-and-other-stuff)

Ha! I started cutting my hair with the old #1 clippers a couple years ago, when the hair dresser said it was "time to stop pretending you still have hair." I gave her a big tip when I left, thought it was hilarious.

I read your thread over the winter. As always, fantastic work. What impresses me most is that you said you had little experience with those engines, but quickly became an expert.

The boat looks great. I have always loved the islandia's design, but I wrongly thought that because they were so big, they'd be slow, and we wouldn't have the ability to ski/tube. Then I read in your thread you had it up to 50 on day one, and you mentioned in a post to someone else that some models can hit 60. So, this spring I went and looked at one near me. He was asking for more than I was comfortable with, didn't want to start it as it wasn't de-winterized abd temps weren't that much above freezing yet, and the challenger had run perfectly fine before I put it away for the winter... so I passed on it. Maybe one day I'll take a look at another one.
 
On the Islandia: the '08 to '11... with twin supercharged Rotax engines will get just above 60 mph. the '06-'07 with the twin, NON-supercharged engines (the ideal setup) will run low to mid 50's. The 240 Merc will push it the upper 40's. On my "Test run".... I was by myself, no water in the main tank, only half a tank of fuel... and the top was down (the bimini makes a huge top speed change) I can TOUCH 50 mph.


My "Normal" top speed (top up, 20 gal of water, gear, and 6 people) is around 44~46 mph. But... even with a bunch of people on board... I can still yank a ski, tube, or board like nothing. Actually... a few weeks ago... I was dragging my nephew around on a wake board, and we had 4 adults, and 3 kids on board.

It's not going to train you as a comp wake boarder... but it's an ideal, all-around boat.


Oh.... and if you want to watch people crap themselves.... come running full throttle in at a no wake zone.... then crank the wheel to one side... and do a skid stop, with a wall of water coming off the side. (LOL) It's still just a big jetski... so you can throw it around like one. (just make sure your passengers are holding on)
 
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Don't buy stuff from friends--EVER if you can help it. You don't want to low ball them because YOU will feel bad, so you pay top dollar so they are not insulted. YOU get pissed when it goes sour and can't stand that you got hosed.(not directed at you Andy--just in general)


Don't keep track of hours(Sorry Andy). It's taking a "hobby" and turning it into a "job". Job stands for work, work is the worst 4 letter word you can say while pursuing your hobby. If it's you're own stuff your working on you can't bill yourself for the labor, and the next guy won't give a rats azz how many hours you put into it. He's looking at the bottom line.

True and couldn`t agree more. My whole deal was helping a friend in need, when it turned out he wasn`t in any "need" at all. the story was all BS, that`s what pissed me off and besides the fact they he never gave the agreed 1K back... anyway I would have done all this work anyways being this is what "I do". I feel the boat never really ran to it`s full potential when the "other guy" had the boat. It just would have been nice to not have been side blinded from someone you know...

as far as work jeez, I wish I got paid for the amount of time. I know it is a labor of love, and I always strive to do quality work regardless of the project. For my own personal reference, I state hours just to show how much time it takes to properly diagnose and repair issues with these older boats...

All of you are correct in saying these boats are 14-15 years old and need attention if they run great or not. I`m hoping with my postings that someone on the forum can learn from my mistakes and choose a vessel with the help of the knowledge here on the forum.

for now I`m diggin` the challenger and would have gone thru it regardless over time... it`s still an ongoing rehab...

I do believe in Karma, and maybe the PO`s new scooter, hot tub and deck are floating in Barnegat Bay after hurricane Sandy...
 
True and couldn`t agree more. My whole deal was helping a friend in need, when it turned out he wasn`t in any "need" at all. the story was all BS, that`s what pissed me off and besides the fact they he never gave the agreed 1K back... anyway I would have done all this work anyways being this is what "I do". I feel the boat never really ran to it`s full potential when the "other guy" had the boat. It just would have been nice to not have been side blinded from someone you know...

as far as work jeez, I wish I got paid for the amount of time. I know it is a labor of love, and I always strive to do quality work regardless of the project. For my own personal reference, I state hours just to show how much time it takes to properly diagnose and repair issues with these older boats...

All of you are correct in saying these boats are 14-15 years old and need attention if they run great or not. I`m hoping with my postings that someone on the forum can learn from my mistakes and choose a vessel with the help of the knowledge here on the forum.

for now I`m diggin` the challenger and would have gone thru it regardless over time... it`s still an ongoing rehab...

I do believe in Karma, and maybe the PO`s new scooter, hot tub and deck are floating in Barnegat Bay after hurricane Sandy...

I believe in Karma too. For example, yesterday I laughed at my work partner for getting puked on. Today I got hit by a geyser of it, AND, I didn't have a spare uniform. That was a long smelly day. Yup, Karma's a b!tch. He'll get his Andy, and you'll have more fun on that boat than he'll ever have on that scooter.
 
but it's an ideal, all-around boat.


Oh.... and if you want to watch people crap themselves.... come running full throttle in at a no wake zone.... then crank the wheel to one side... and do a skid stop, with a wall of water coming off the side. (LOL) It's still just a big jetski... so you can throw it around like one. (just make sure your passengers are holding on)

Great, now I really want one.
 
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