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got me a Yamaha too recently

David,
I got me a new-for-me older Yamaha too (2008).

I do not know what is going on with this thread, gone on for 8 pages worth and, unlike several of your other threads, nobody has seriously derailed it so I figured I would "leap into the breach". Well, ok, carts and lifts and SeaDoo acquisition and hiding them from the wife are not too far astray.
 

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David,
I got me a new-for-me older Yamaha too (2008).

I do not know what is going on with this thread, gone on for 8 pages worth and, unlike several of your other threads, nobody has seriously derailed it so I figured I would "leap into the breach". Well, ok, carts and lifts and SeaDoo acquisition and hiding them from the wife are not too far astray.

Rod, that thing is sweet!!!! I do major bike builds in my garage also!!! however I think you get the prize for derailed threads now, we aren't even in the water now! HAHA!



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So I actually have a relevant question if you can believe it?
So if I go to a oil block off kit on the yamahlog will the bottom end then be getting more oil at idle?
If I do this I imagine I must close the fuel selector and run it out of gas, but then what? Do I then use a compressor open both res and on and blow that gas back to the tank?


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What do you mean??? Why would you have to blow the gas back to the tank? Because you are afraid of the oil in the fuel lines breaking down while sitting? I doubt this would be an issue, but others may know differently. I never worried about that with my bikes or other two-stroke toys. Are you planning on draining the tank too?
 
Noooo, mean when I first block off oil pump, the fuel in the lines would not have premix therefore for a period of time engine would be running on no oil, so I'm thinking you would have to get that none premix fuel out some how


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The amount of time that you will be running with no oil is very very minimal. I wouldnt worry about that, if you would worry drop a squirt of oil down the spark plug holes before you get it started on the premix, but it is fine without doing that.

I would certainly do a block off kit on your new yamaha.
 
What carbs are on that thing ? SBN's ?

Does it recirculate back to the tank like ours do ?

If so, New fuel should reach each carb within 10 seconds from starting. I've attached a clear line to mine and ran it back to the tank for each carb once while troubleshooting and you can see the fuel moving pretty quickly.

I thought it was mentioned a while back that at idle there wasn't any oil flowing in anyways. So you could just idle around a bit and let the new mix circulate through.

You asked if it will get more oil at idle with the block off kit. Yes! in fact it will get the same amount of oil all the time ! Your mixing it for what its going to need at WOT. Everything before that is getting more oil than needed but that's what comes with premixing.
 
What carbs are on that thing ? SBN's ?

Does it recirculate back to the tank like ours do ?

If so, New fuel should reach each carb within 10 seconds from starting. I've attached a clear line to mine and ran it back to the tank for each carb once while troubleshooting and you can see the fuel moving pretty quickly.

I thought it was mentioned a while back that at idle there wasn't any oil flowing in anyways. So you could just idle around a bit and let the new mix circulate through.

You asked if it will get more oil at idle with the block off kit. Yes! in fact it will get the same amount of oil all the time ! Your mixing it for what its going to need at WOT. Everything before that is getting more oil than needed but that's what comes with premixing.

Mikuni's just like ours!!
Ok I do like it being oiled all the time!!!! I'm doing it because the yamaha oil system is NOT bullet proof like the doo!!!


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Yep, you'll get a ton more oil at low speed b/c the ratio won't vary with throttle position. And it won't take any time at all to make it to through the carbs once the tank is mixed.

Not sure if the cats can handle the extra oil, might consider taking them out? Unless someone has already done that and found no problem.

I'd always use fresh fuel/oil mix though, so at least leave the fuel tank near empty so you can dump freshly mixed in. Some oils degrade pretty fast once mixed, others can last much longer, not sure how your particular oil will perform.

Stale fuel is my biggest gripe about pre-mixing, aside from you use a lot more oil that way.
 
Oh great now I have to worry about oil sitting too long? Is there ever an easy way out? I guess as long as I keep it low on fuel I can always add a bunch of fresh. I also could siphon fuel out if I wasn't going to ride it for a while


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i'll chime in

re: gas in the tank, just make your best guess at how much is in, and add the appropriate amount of oil, then top off with more gas/oil. as long as your close on your guess nothing to worry about, ski won't care if you run 38 instead of 40. you could always run it close to empty so your only "guessing" on the last 2-3 gallons or so. if your really anal siphon it out and measure but that's overkill IMO.

go to west marine, buy a premix container $6, makies getting the proper ratio a snap if you don't have one I have one within walking distance & shipping is like $3. There are other options out there, but the west marine container is great, very snug tight lid, you can toss it in your storage bin and top off at a marina on a longer ride. I have two of them and it works great I can carry enough oil for a full tank.

I do NOT worry about premix sitting, I just took my yamaha 1300 out yesterday, had 6 gallons of gas that's been there 6 weeks, (i've been riding my other ski lately) added 10 gallons of fresh and didn't think twice, it stirs up nicely on the ride to the ramp. I was actually a little more worried about octane than the mix itself, so I never went over 60mph (avoided WOT), but otherwise I never really worried about it. this might be a concern up north, but with me in FL its year round riding and 6 weeks is about the longest a ski will ever sit. Yamalube is not prone to any issues that I've experienced related to it sitting for a longer time, if you were using something like Klotz I'd agree. However, with that said I generaly try to keep my tank closer to empty, so If I know i'm taking a short ride, I might only put in 3/4 of a tank so its closer to empty at the end of the day.

some people really get anal about premix, add oil to a gas tank, shake it, then dump it in, yada yada, IMO a total waste of time, it will mix very very well on the way to the ramp, (ever been behind one of those trucks with a clear water tank on the back? your fuel tank is sloshing around quite a bit) We've discussed this before and I still think 40 is the right ratio, but I use 32 on the advice of my tuner, but I think its due to my fuel controller setup and mods, and that 40 is right for a stocker, but 2x check on that as well.

I've never really located a good/cheap source for yamalube except to just grab it at the local boat shop, mine has a sale every one in a while, but usually i'm paying around $32 a gallon regular $28 on sale.

again, i'm not THAT familiar with the 1200's but I think there is a relatively inexpensive CAT delete that you can do. Mine came with the CAT deleted so i'm not familiar with the procedure/expense/difficulty. Google might sort that out for you. At least with the 1300's the cat delete was very popular but i'm not sure if it was more of a thing to do with a modded ski vs stock, etc...



your carb'd right ? not injected... ?
 
i'll chime in

re: gas in the tank, just make your best guess at how much is in, and add the appropriate amount of oil, then top off with more gas/oil. as long as your close on your guess nothing to worry about, ski won't care if you run 38 instead of 40. you could always run it close to empty so your only "guessing" on the last 2-3 gallons or so. if your really anal siphon it out and measure but that's overkill IMO.

go to west marine, buy a premix container $6, makies getting the proper ratio a snap if you don't have one I have one within walking distance & shipping is like $3. There are other options out there, but the west marine container is great, very snug tight lid, you can toss it in your storage bin and top off at a marina on a longer ride. I have two of them and it works great I can carry enough oil for a full tank.

I do NOT worry about premix sitting, I just took my yamaha 1300 out yesterday, had 6 gallons of gas that's been there 6 weeks, (i've been riding my other ski lately) added 10 gallons of fresh and didn't think twice, it stirs up nicely on the ride to the ramp. I was actually a little more worried about octane than the mix itself, so I never went over 60mph (avoided WOT), but otherwise I never really worried about it. this might be a concern up north, but with me in FL its year round riding and 6 weeks is about the longest a ski will ever sit. Yamalube is not prone to any issues that I've experienced related to it sitting for a longer time, if you were using something like Klotz I'd agree. However, with that said I generaly try to keep my tank closer to empty, so If I know i'm taking a short ride, I might only put in 3/4 of a tank so its closer to empty at the end of the day.

some people really get anal about premix, add oil to a gas tank, shake it, then dump it in, yada yada, IMO a total waste of time, it will mix very very well on the way to the ramp, (ever been behind one of those trucks with a clear water tank on the back? your fuel tank is sloshing around quite a bit) We've discussed this before and I still think 40 is the right ratio, but I use 32 on the advice of my tuner, but I think its due to my fuel controller setup and mods, and that 40 is right for a stocker, but 2x check on that as well.

I've never really located a good/cheap source for yamalube except to just grab it at the local boat shop, mine has a sale every one in a while, but usually i'm paying around $32 a gallon regular $28 on sale.

again, i'm not THAT familiar with the 1200's but I think there is a relatively inexpensive CAT delete that you can do. Mine came with the CAT deleted so i'm not familiar with the procedure/expense/difficulty. Google might sort that out for you. At least with the 1300's the cat delete was very popular but i'm not sure if it was more of a thing to do with a modded ski vs stock, etc...



your carb'd right ? not injected... ?

Always great to hear from you buddy!
The cat delete is a big deal on the 1200 also, a hundred bucks with the chip for the ecu.
Yes it's carbed, I already ordered the delete kit for the pump.i do have the measuring cup. I just thought of something I could premix then run it then install the kit do whatever is in the lines is mixed!
I most likely will order the cat delete along with the wave eater clips.
Thank again for the input!!


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yes, the clips were discussed back on your original thread.

sure, premix, circle the block on trailer, idle for 30 seconds, and oil is now in the carbs, no worries.

does the whole pipe have to come off for the Dplate ? and I mine has a resistor to replace the temp sensor $2 at radio shack.

those dam pipes are huge aren't they.....

here's mine.. I hope I never have to mess with this beast.

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if your googling info on that include greenhulk in your search terms I remember scanning some excellent write ups a couple of years back on there, they have been there and done that with 1200's.
 
Oh great now I have to worry about oil sitting too long? Is there ever an easy way out? I guess as long as I keep it low on fuel I can always add a bunch of fresh. I also could siphon fuel out if I wasn't going to ride it for a while


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She's got a classy chassis and fast on the gas so it always needs to be fresh... IMO. Some oils have longer pre-mix life than others, depending on various factors. Just sayin', b/c I've seen my share of seized engines running on skunk urine.

http://www.bridgestonemotorcycle.com/documents/oilpremix6.pdf
 
Lol, just mix the damn gas and forget about it. My boat sits with 40 gallons of pre mix for about 8 months. The thought never entered my mind, and still hasn't.

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Lol, just mix the damn gas and forget about it. My boat sits with 40 gallons of pre mix for about 8 months. The thought never entered my mind, and still hasn't.

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I can remember my cr500 sitting for a year and never having a problem but i had no clue of all this information back then, ignorance is bliss!!!
Anyway I now have 6 gallons mixed at 32:1 in the tank, I'm going to run it a few times until the block off kit gets here. I'm happy with the decision to mix my own, I feel more in control of my fate!

On a side note I think I'll never start a new thread, I'll just keep posting here until it's like 1000 pages!!
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Nice, you used to have a ditch digger! I used to ride my buddies CR500 every now and again what a wicked bike. Talk about trenching.

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They are a hell of a bike, great desert racer but switching to single track off road they became a handful, sadly a place much better suited to a 4 stroke, unless of course you've rode the ktm 300exc 2 stroke in a single track situation, ****ing crazy how you can get clicking on one of those little things! Still looking to add one to my stable!


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Well at 1600 for a rebuilt short block I will lean the safe way. But still leaves you wondering don't it?


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