Mirror glass

[soccerdad]

OK I am an idiot.... :banghead: Now that is out of the way...

I am putting mirrors on my 96 GSX so I can legally pull a tube if needed.

I bought a complete 99 GSX Ltd hood on fleabay. I went to pull the mirrors so I could prep the stuff to paint. The right side bolts were stuck. Actually the nuts inside the mirrors were spinning so I could not remove them. So I needed to get inside the mirror so I could grab the nuts. So I searched a bunch and found a thread on removing the glass that said soak them in hot water for a while then gently pry the glass out. Well I did and ended up breaking the mirror glass anyway.

Searching again, I cannot find any replacement glass for these skis. Found some XP stuff, but no replacement oval glass. Anyone know a source? There are a few full mirrors on ebay, but would like just to replace the glass if anyone knows where to get it. If I would have searched first, I would have found that the glass was rare and I would have approached it differently.

 

[Krispy]

I had really good luck going to a local glass shop with the mirror housing and the other mirror to use as an example.

It was stupid cheap to have the mirror cut. I mean like 7$. Another glass shop quoted me 70$ and I walked out of the shop laughing.

I still had to come up with a way to mount it in the mirror housing, but that was easy.

See what you can find locally.

 

[Mickirig1]

Might try some auto part stores. They may have a listing for them. They have the replacement stick on pieces. May just have generic ovals you could order.

 

[Coastiejoe]

Local glass shop. They will cut and grind them for you. Very cheap...

 

[soccerdad]

I tried searching hundreds of replacement car ones, but did not find anything close. Looks like I will start calling glass shops.

 

[Spimothy Leary]

Glass seems pretty easy to locate if you just run your "good" mirror into any local glass shop, should be $10 or less with quick turnaround

if not just buy a used mirror off ebay, hell, i've had a complete mirror for sale on ebay for $16 shipped for some time, and it hasn't sold in a month, so that means people must be selling them even cheaper than that.

 

[soccerdad]

Well the local glass shop was about $20 but I found the exact mirror I needed NOS on ebay. Won the bid for it $16 shipped. Now I wonder if I bought it from Spim? No, I don't think it came from Florida. Anyway, felt bad painting a cherry condition red mirror yellow, but it worked great for me. Thanks for the replies. Pictures posted on the GS thread

 

[lamajama]

I paid a glass shop $10 for my replacement

 

[68ragtop]

Can you pull a tube in NC on a 2-seater? In Wisconsin, it has to be a three seater. The driver, one in the tube & one sitting backwards to spot. Just curious what your laws are?

 

[Coastiejoe]

Can you pull a tube in NC on a 2-seater? In Wisconsin, it has to be a three seater. The driver, one in the tube & one sitting backwards to spot. Just curious what your laws are?

Here is a cut and paste directly from the North Carlina Wildlife Association site (which seems to regulate PWC's and Boats)
I have highlighted the information you are after...

PWC Operation

No one can operate a PWC on state waters between sunset and sunrise.

All PWC riders, passengers and those being towed must wear approved personal flotation devices.

If the PWC is equipped with a lanyard-type engine cut off switch, the lanyard must be worn by the operator at all times.

A PWC must have a rearview mirror or an observer on board besides the operator to legally tow someone on skis or similar device.

PWCs must be operated at all times in a reasonable and prudent manner. Maneuvers that endanger people or property constitute reckless operation.

No person shall operate a personal watercraft on the waters of this State at greater than no-wake speed within 100 feet of an anchored or moored vessel, a dock, pier, swim float, marked swimming area, swimmers, surfers, persons engaged in angling, or any manually operated propelled vessel, unless the personal watercraft is operating in a narrow channel (see below).

No person shall operate a personal watercraft in a narrow channel (see below) at greater than no-wake speed within 50 feet of an anchored or moored vessel, a dock, pier, swim float, marked swimming area, swimmers, surfers, persons engaged in angling, or any manually operated propelled vessel.

No person shall operate a PWC towing another person on water skis or similar device unless the total number of persons operating, observing, and being towed does not exceed the number of passengers identified by the manufacturer as the maximum safe load for the vessel.

 

[68ragtop]

Here are our laws:

Personally I like the look of mirrors, But I would never trust any of them for maneuvers. I'm always look ing over my shoulder & never use the mirrors for anything.....

I especially like law #5 what could go wrong there????

Wisconsin's Personal Watercraft/Boating Law
Personal Watercraft (PWC) are classified as Class A (less than 16 feet in length) inboard boats. All PWC must be registered and display valid registration decals and registration numbers on the forward half of both sides of the craft. Personal watercraft operators must obey all boating regulations just as any other motorboat. In addition, PWC operators must comply with the following additional regulations:
1. No person may operate a PWC from sunset to sunrise. [Note that Diamond Lake Association Guidelines limit use of recreational boating* activities to the hours of 10am-6 pm.]
2. Effective August 1, 1998, no person may operate a personal watercraft faster than slow-no-wake within 200' of shore on any lake in Wisconsin.
3. All persons riding a PWC must wear a PFD of the proper size and type (type I, II, III, or V).
4. Persons at least 12 but under 16 must be in possession of a valid boating safety
student certificate to operate a PWC. (Parental supervision is not a substitute for a boating safety certificate as with other motorboats. PWC operators must have a certificate.)
5. It is illegal to operate a PWC facing backwards.
6. There is no towing of persons engaged in water skiing, aquaplaning, or similar activities
unless the PWC is designed to seat 3 people. There is no limit on number of skiers.
7.. Operation of a PWC within 100 feet of another boat or PWC is only allowed if the
following requirements are met:
* Operation does not exceed a slow-no-wake speed.
* Neither boat is involved in any type of water skiing or similar activity.
8.. It is illegal to operate a PWC within 100' of the following:
* Another boat towing a skier or person engaged in similar activity.
* The tow rope of another motorboat towing a skier or person engaged in similar activity.
* A person involved in skiing or a similar activity.
9. No person operating any type of motorboat (including PWC) that is towing persons engaged in water skiing, aquaplaning, or similar activity may operate within 100' of any occupied anchored boat, any personal watercraft, any marked swimming area, or public boat landing.
10. No person who is water skiing or engaged in similar activity, may get within 100 feet of a personal watercraft or allow the tow rope to get within 100 feet of a personal watercraft.
Speed Restrictions
* It is unlawful to operate a motorboat within 100 feet of any dock, raft, pier, or buoyed
restricted area on any lake at a speed in excess of "slow-no-wake."
* It is unlawful to create hazardous wakes.
* It is unlawful to operate a personal watercraft faster than slow-no-wake within 200' of
shore on any lake.
Age Restrictions
* No person under the age of 10 years may operate a motorboat.
* No person under 12 may operate a personal watercraft (PWC).
* Persons at least 10 years of age but less than 12 years of age may operate a motorboat (except PWC) if they are accompanied by a parent or guardian or a person at least 18 years of age designated by the parent or guardian.
* Persons at least 12 but less than 16 years of age may operate a motorboat (except PWC) only if they are accompanied by a parent or guardian or by a person 18 years or older designated by the parent or guardian or if they have successfully completed a Department of Natural Resources prescribed Boating Safety Course and possess a safety certificate issued by the Department or another state.
* No person under the age of 16 may rent a personal watercraft.
* Persons at least 12 but less then 16 years of age may operate a personal watercraft if they have successfully completed a DNR prescribed Boating Safety Course and possess a safety certificate issued by the Department or another state. Parental accompaniment may not be substituted for possession of a valid DNR safety certificate.
* Parents or guardians are punishable by law for knowingly allowing unauthorized persons to operate a motorboat.
Water Skiing
It is unlawful:
* To operate a motorboat towing a person whether or not on water skis, aquaplane, parasail or similar device, unless there is in the boat a competent person in addition to the operator in a position to observe the activity of the person being towed. The observer must be able to observe the person being towed and relay signals to the operator.
source for above information: http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/

 

[Coastiejoe]

Number 6 is confusing...
6. There is no towing of persons engaged in water skiing, aquaplaning, or similar activities
unless the PWC is designed to seat 3 people. There is no limit on number of skiers.

So it MUST be a 3-seater to tow with but you can tow as many as you would like is how I read it... Gee,, thats not dangerous at all.. LOL

 

[68ragtop]

I think they dropped that part in a more resent revision. I think the idea behind it is they want a spotter sitting backwards & there isn't enough room to do that safely on a 2 seater. I was thinking it was so the person in tow could get on the ski if needed, but It would seem its more likely about ski stability.

 

[Coastiejoe]

I think they dropped that part in a more resent revision. I think the idea behind it is they want a spotter sitting backwards & there isn't enough room to do that safely on a 2 seater. I was thinking it was so the person in tow could get on the ski if needed, but It would seem its more likely about ski stability.

Generally, the total being on or behind the ski can not be more than what the ski is rated for. Thus, 2 on and one being towed is fully legal. The thought reason is, in the event of an issue, all involved can be transported on the ski.

 

[68ragtop]

thats what I thought too. but that would kill the idea of "no limit to the amount of skiers"

I would let the clown on the ski, but everyone else is on their own.......

 

[Coastiejoe]

thats what I thought too. but that would kill the idea of "no limit to the amount of skiers"

I would let the clown on the ski, but everyone else is on their own.......

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And that is EXACTLY what number 6 is saying... I'm good,,, sorry about you being in the water.. You are on your own... If it has changed like you think it may have, that would explain it.. LOL

 

[soccerdad]

Yep, I thought it was really strange that you only needed mirrors in NC. We do not often pull with the two seater, but like the option. I usually tow with one knee up on the seat so I can be high up and look back easily. I don't use the mirrors much, unless there is traffic ahead and I don't want to look back. But if that happens, I usually just move to another part of the lake. I don't like being near anyone or anything while towing if possible. In Virginia, everyone driving a PWC must have passed a safety course (unless you rented it, stupid idea) but to tow, you either need mirrors, a spotter BUT if the person being towed is wearing a PFD, then you do not need either. Wow.... I would think everyone must wear a PFD.

 

[Coastiejoe]

The PFD rule should be for 100% of the people 100% of the time. That is WAY to lenient. People get hurt while tubing and ski. PFD's save their life at that point.


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