Killertiller
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Goin to look at it in few hours n want some knowladge on price avaliabilty n istall. Thanks guys
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96 xp needs black box??? details i
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CReynoldsMIZ
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i would be pretty leery of picking up a ski that you cant hear run or even turn over...they probably run a couple hundred. But we need info on why it is missing? Unless its rock bottom pricing, be very leery...they can be money pits. Dont ask me how i know
I would assume they are talking MPEM or CDI box. complete box and key is ~$250.
Not a big issue as long as the price is right...you can always pop the back box and jump the solenoid to check compression.
Not a big issue as long as the price is right...you can always pop the back box and jump the solenoid to check compression.
Killertiller
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Awsome dude thats the info i needed.
Killertiller
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Is that new or used and r they hard to find used or should i get new one.
Killertiller
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Didnt make it to look today. Its in ski its just bad. So i assume it wont beef or power anything up in that condition? Maybe its been miss diagnosed?
manolocross
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They probably jumped it with a car and destroyed the mpem... Very common and dumb mistake.
Killertiller
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Darn i looking on ebay n they all way over 300 bucks. The ones for the xp 720 are 129 bucks.
Spimothy Leary
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what's the asking price on this ski ?
Killertiller
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I cant put a price on it because he wants to work a trade deal. He mentioned he has alot of jet ski stuff he throw in. Says if very clean ski. So saying it clean n needs the mpem i say if its about 750 in value towarss my ski i jump on it. So i be in it lets say 1100 max. Isnt that about 400 less then its value. Expecially if it real clean.
Take Minnetonka's advice on checking the compression. You never know the guy might have killed the MPEM on purpose so you couldn't turn the engine over or hear the gremlins inside of it. I'd be careful especially if your trading off your HX which runs. I'd hold out and travel for one if you got a hot nut that bad for one or find a tattered one for a song and restore/rebuild it like many of us are right now. At least that way you'll know what you have. Be patient the right one will come down the pipe.
CReynoldsMIZ
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I definitely wouldnt pay 750 for a ski with no mpem...you have absolutely no knowledge of the the engine... if it was so clean, then why would he want to get rid of it for such a bargain instead of putting in an mpem himself and selling it. Around here i probably wouldnt pay more than 1200 for a 96 xp. That doesnt even include all of your labor paying yourself to put it in, and you still are taking all of the risk. I would pay maybe 450 for a ski like this
Spimothy Leary
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i'm in agreement here, which is why i asked... $750 for a ski with a busted mpem is pricey, and for the record, i didn't know you could bypass it to check compression, i'll have to look into that its good info...
i'd max this ski (assuming its clean) around $600 tops, sorry, if it doesnt work it gets discounted twice the cost of the repair at an absolute minimum... so a bad mpem in my book is at LEAST -500 off the price, at a very minimum.
Killertiller
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Thanks for all the info... i goin to try n cut the deal so he fixes it then trade.
Spimothy Leary
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when buying a ski, its real simple, assume the worst, build that into the price, and hope for the best.
its rare, very rare actually when you can buy a used ski that has 1 problem and not have it turn into 4 problems by the time you get a real good solid look at it, and since you'll have limited opportunities to really test this, then you absolutely must drive down toe price to make sure you don't get the wrong end of the deal, you should never get the wrong end of a deal when your buying if you price the known issues correctly, and build in unknown issues.
to answer your question.. yes, 750 on paper is a fair value, you'll still have 1100 invested in a ski that in the summer is worth 1500, in the fall its worth 1200, so your not about to get taken to the cleaners, but we're just suggesting that your cutting the edge pretty thin between turning a good buy into a bad one.
and are we sure the problem is with the mpem (the grey box?) and not the rear electrical box (the black box) because the black box is a significantly lesser problem.
and of course, if he throws in a bunch of extra crap that can be sold off, or kept as spares, then that helps pad the deal. One of my recent purchases I bought a $400 ski for $400 but the guy had a ton of parts so I also got probably $900 in parts for a third of that, so the primary deal was not a good one, but the secondary deal was a gold mine. I sold 1 prop and 1 set of buckshots and immediately broke even on my parts deal within a week of making the purchase, I still have 6 storage bins full of misc parts.
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Killertiller
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Well heading says black box. Someone mentioned it the mpem. Owner said it look like a few plugs and he called it the black box. He also said its $400...lol so that sounds like a grey box price. Again thanks for all info now i am prepared. If i am scared of 96 hes got a nice running with no problemrs 95 720 xp. Thats how this all started he was offeeing that. I said i wanted a 800 so he offered the 96 at that point but said he suggest the 95 because its his gf n he knows the ski. The 96 he picked up n was planning on getting it goin this winter
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Spimothy Leary
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the black box is in the rear.. cheap and easy to replace. this would be good news..
the grey box is in the front, roughly triple the cost.
Killertiller
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When looking at ski how can i tell which it may be?
Killertiller
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I assume if its grey box then nothing would work like vts n the beeps when installing dess. If it the one in rear then all that should work?
Spimothy Leary
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general answer.... there's more to it, but we're dealing with limited info here at this point.
if its the grey box, you won't get two beeps when you put the lanyard in, that's the signal to bleed the seller for as much as you can. It reduces the price from a low of $450 to $750 max, and as I said before, i'm around a $600 max for a super clean ski with trailer if I can't get two beeps, it is what it is.. a 96 xp with issues, they drop in value fast and hard when not working. and at this point all we know is that its clean, we don't know if the engine is fk'd.
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if its the black box, you'll get two beeps but it won't turn over or it will just click. if it just clicks or does nothing... then the culprit is most likely this little jobbie., the solenoid, no guarantees again, we're dealing with unknowns.
you can easily pop open the black box, its next to the battery, pop the lid and take out the inner workings while everything is still connected, and look for this item, bypass the solenoid by connecting the two contacts with a screwdriver or something, and the ski should turn over, your eliminating it as a variable.
if that works, it would be great news, since now you have a $25 fix. if you really feel like your in the dark here maybe its a good idea to bring a 2nd opinion along, somebody that has some general working knowledge of ski's.
if its the grey box, you won't get two beeps when you put the lanyard in, that's the signal to bleed the seller for as much as you can. It reduces the price from a low of $450 to $750 max, and as I said before, i'm around a $600 max for a super clean ski with trailer if I can't get two beeps, it is what it is.. a 96 xp with issues, they drop in value fast and hard when not working. and at this point all we know is that its clean, we don't know if the engine is fk'd.
anyway....
if its the black box, you'll get two beeps but it won't turn over or it will just click. if it just clicks or does nothing... then the culprit is most likely this little jobbie., the solenoid, no guarantees again, we're dealing with unknowns.
you can easily pop open the black box, its next to the battery, pop the lid and take out the inner workings while everything is still connected, and look for this item, bypass the solenoid by connecting the two contacts with a screwdriver or something, and the ski should turn over, your eliminating it as a variable.
if that works, it would be great news, since now you have a $25 fix. if you really feel like your in the dark here maybe its a good idea to bring a 2nd opinion along, somebody that has some general working knowledge of ski's.
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Killertiller
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It should also run correct?
Killertiller
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I not in the dark at all. I been jet sking for 25 years. I done like u guys n wheeled n dealed them. Parting skis n buying projects n working my way up. I owned a body shop for 25 years n am a motor head. Its just been awhile so u guys gettn me back on track...lol
Spimothy Leary
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thats excellent ! because my next post was going to be a warning that the reason we're shooting lowball on the price is that it inevitable that you could be/ should be looking at a carb rebuild, possible cable replacement, fuel lines, cleaning gas tank, (and for now i'm ignoring the consideration of a motor tear down and inspect, an idea that has considerable merit) etc. so i'm always budgeting an extra $300-500 for misc bullshit that turns up with every used ski, even the good ones !
so much of this depends on the personal budget, to some people a $400 extra, doesn't faze them, to others, its a deal breaker. so if you budget your purchase price + $600 and hope for $250, then your probably in your tolerance zone
and when its going to be your personal ride, the initial investment becomes even more important since your ultimate goal is a year or three of trouble free fun without blowing the engine, and moving on to your next ski without getting beat up too bad.
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Killertiller
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Ya i already know it goin to need carbs redone , fuel lines, filters ect. Just for piece of mind. Actually i had a 96 xp all built. Parted it out n bought a 2000 xp that need work. Fixed that rode for two years made a grand. Then took that n added 800 n got a 04 xpdi. And the hx i trading was free after all the wheelin n dealing in those. I had about 8 hxs, mostly built n made good money parting them out n gettn another ect.
Killertiller
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I was on the seadoo.net board way back when it first started in like 96 or something. I was a regular till about 2004. Then got married...lolol
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