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947 Carb cleaning question

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gcsims

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Hello,

Firstly I'm a PWC newbie, so please excuse my lack of knowledge, and wrong names for parts etc..

I've just pulled the carbs out of my 1999 GTX LTD to clean. Inside the throttle body there is a ring, just in front of the choke plates (you can see it in the picture I've taken)

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What is the purpose of the ring? It's got a thread of black fibrous stuff in it. Is it just gunk I should clean out? Or is it some sort of seal that's meant to be in the grove?

Now for some history. I bought my Ski sight unseen about 4 months ago. It had just been to the shop for a $600 servicing and was meant to be a runner, but neither the previous owner nor the mechanic had water tested it. So I had it delivered, and the first time I tried it I encountered bogging/dying on WOT.

So I towed the Ski 3.5 hours back to the mechanic to sort out. I asked about the grey lines this ski had and he said they'd been done previously and although the new lines were Tempo they were fine. Anyway he pulled the carbs, replaced the needles and seats and did a few other odds and ends. I towed it home again without water testing (mistake...) only to find the problem still present. At this point I had the engine 'diesling' a couple of times on the trailer too, which scared the crap out of me (killed it with choke).

So I pulled the fuel lines and the fuel value. Sure enough the tap was clogged, and the lines connecting to the tap were pretty eroded.

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Elsewhere the lines weren't too bad. I replaced the tap and the lines (except the vent lines). I also replaced the spark plugs.

I had a job getting the ski pumping gas to prime the lines. The trick was to block the air intakes on the carbs. I did this by removing the air intake completely and placing a plastic bag over the carb intakes, and cranking the engine.

After this ski ran lots better, but it still tends to die on WOT from a standing start. Hence me pulling the carbs. I was hoping to find the internal filters gunked up from running between the last cleaning and the line replacement, but they're actually pretty good.

I'm bit concerned when it's back together it's still not going to have the problem. I'm suspicious of an air leak somewhere, although I've got all my new lines on nice and tight. It's no longer diesling on the trailer, but the rev's don't drop quickly after giving the throttle a squirt.

Anyway, sorry for the long drawn out post. And lastly thanks to all the people who have contributed to these forums. I've learned a heap about these ski's from them (still have a way to go tho).

Simo
 
Thanks for your reply Bills86e! I feel a bit stupid because it's pretty obvious they're gaskets I was looking at now you've pointed it out... I never separated the carbs when I cleaned the filters so I didn't get down to those gaskets.

I'm just checking out the fuel accelerator pump now. With the outlet nipple disconnected should I be able to blow air through the pump inlet nipple and have it come out the outlet, with my mouth? I can't, so I'm thinking the outlet maybe clogged? I can't blow air into the carbs either (from the line before the T), but as I understand it from the manual that would require pressure over 4 PSI. The gauge tester would be handy...

Cheers
 
There is a check valve in the accl pump... so you may not be able to blow threw it. (your mouth is probably only 2 psi) If the accel pump is not working... that would make it die, if the throttle is opened quickly.

Since you have the carbs off. Verify that all the transition ports are open. I like to go back and forth with spray carb cleaner, and compressed air until I can see it coming out.

Also... make sure your pop-off pressure it set. your ski should be 19 - 23 psi.
 
Many thanks for that Dr Honda! I just got the accelerator pump working! It was clogged, as were the jets into the carbs (transition ports?). I filled it with carb cleaner and left it for a couple of hours. Then blowing and pushing the lever simultaneously gave enough force to clear it. The jets into the carb took a bit more work. I cleared the line with carb cleaner and blowing compressed air in to it. I hit on using 12V compressor I have with the needle for pumping up the rugby ball. The needle fits nicely down into the line and seals quite well :)

First one jet opened, then I blocked that (wrapped my finger around it) and the 2nd jet opened shortly after. It was nice to see carb cleaner spraying into the throttle body!

Turns out it easy to tell if it's working -- exercising the accelerator pump makes an audible sound as air is pushed into the carb body.

What's puzzling me now is the purpose of the 2nd spring and the arm screwed to the pump housing? Is it simply to keep the linkage aligned with the diaphragm? I took a picture to show the part I mean.

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I'd like to test the pop-off pressure but I don't have the gauge. I'm hoping it's correct as the last mechanic to work on it replaced the needles and seats about 3 months ago.

Cheers

There is a check valve in the accl pump... so you may not be able to blow threw it. (your mouth is probably only 2 psi) If the accel pump is not working... that would make it die, if the throttle is opened quickly.

Since you have the carbs off. Verify that all the transition ports are open. I like to go back and forth with spray carb cleaner, and compressed air until I can see it coming out.

Also... make sure your pop-off pressure it set. your ski should be 19 - 23 psi.
 
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