2003 GTX Supercharged - good buy or not?

[synergy]

The following ad is for a GTX I've been considering (Canada). I've offered $6500 CAN and the seller came back with a counter at $7000. I priced it at $6500 considering there was a dealer selling the same year / model for $7400 in town. I'm new to the seadoo world and have been looking for a ski to use up at a cottage with family (water skiing, tubing, cruising, wake jumping, etc.). I figured that the GTX would be a good balanced machine / fun for the whole family. Any advice or things to look for when purchasing a GTX would be helpful as well. From a quick glance on this forum I will need to be careful with regards to the ceramic washers. At 116hrs you'd think that he superchargers would have been rebuilt already (around 100hrs)? - I will have to ask this question when I go see the seadoo tomorrow.

Any thoughts on the price - Note: Canadian Sale / Canadian Dollars. I've attached the picture below.

Here's the ad:

I am selling my seadoo asking 7700 O.B.O price includes all of the fmallowing

2003 seadoo GTX supercharged with 116 hrs
aquavein intake grate
triton alluminum trailer
2 seadoo life vests
pwc anchor
everything is in great shape come check it out

Thanks in advance.

 

[ThreeD]

Yeah, the supercharger should have been rebuilt around 100hrs

 

[got wake?]

is your dealer selling a similar one with a trailer and accessories? $7k isn't too bad if the supercharger was rebuilt. if the supercharger wasn't rebuilt around 100 hours, offer him $6800 because you'll have to spend around $400 on the rebuild kit (split the cost of the kit basically).

 

[synergy]

The dealer / actually a local marina has the seadoo posted for $7400 with trailer but no other accessories. I'm pretty sure the dealer is somewhat flexible on his asking price. I just have not had a chance to go see any of them yet and I wanted to gather up a little more knowledge before hand. I figured that dealers normally post higher pricing since they often include warranties, the maintenance / repairs are up to date (hopefully), and because they can! With a private sale it's harder to gauge. Once I see them in person I'll be able to gauge the general condition of the two seadoo's.

Thanks for all the replies so far.

 

[aklim]

The following ad is for a GTX I've been considering (Canada). I've offered $6500 CAN and the seller came back with a counter at $7000. I priced it at $6500 considering there was a dealer selling the same year / model for $7400 in town. I'm new to the seadoo world and have been looking for a ski to use up at a cottage with family (water skiing, tubing, cruising, wake jumping, etc.). I figured that the GTX would be a good balanced machine / fun for the whole family. Any advice or things to look for when purchasing a GTX would be helpful as well. From a quick glance on this forum I will need to be careful with regards to the ceramic washers. At 116hrs you'd think that he superchargers would have been rebuilt already (around 100hrs)? - I will have to ask this question when I go see the seadoo tomorrow.

Any thoughts on the price - Note: Canadian Sale / Canadian Dollars. I've attached the picture below.

Here's the ad:

I am selling my seadoo asking 7700 O.B.O price includes all of the fmallowing

2003 seadoo GTX supercharged with 116 hrs
aquavein intake grate
triton alluminum trailer
2 seadoo life vests
pwc anchor
everything is in great shape come check it out

Thanks in advance.

Not sure what the market is in Canada so go off KBB or something like that.

As to the SC, the important question is when it was done. If it was done in say 04, you are going to have to rebuild it anyways. Late 08 is when they came out with the metal washers.

 

[synergy]

Checked on KBB and the price was $5080

From KBB:The Kelley Blue Book Suggested Retail Value is representative of dealers' asking prices and is the starting point for negotiation between a consumer and a dealer. This Suggested Retail Value assumes that the watercraft has been fully reconditioned and is in excellent condition. Hours/condition and additional equipment may have a substantial impact on the value shown above. This value also takes into account the dealers' profit, costs for advertising, sales commissions and other costs of doing business. The final sale price will likely be less depending on the vehicle's actual condition, popularity, type of warranty offered and local market conditions.

Since it's a private sale, in CAN dollars, and includes a trailer + some accessories it looks like between $6-7 would be in the ball park for a private sale. The above KBB price is from Detroit, closest state to Ontario - KBB only offers canadian price estimates that are based on your proximity to the US.

 

[aklim]

Checked on KBB and the price was $5080

From KBB:The Kelley Blue Book Suggested Retail Value is representative of dealers' asking prices and is the starting point for negotiation between a consumer and a dealer. This Suggested Retail Value assumes that the watercraft has been fully reconditioned and is in excellent condition. Hours/condition and additional equipment may have a substantial impact on the value shown above. This value also takes into account the dealers' profit, costs for advertising, sales commissions and other costs of doing business. The final sale price will likely be less depending on the vehicle's actual condition, popularity, type of warranty offered and local market conditions.

Since it's a private sale, in CAN dollars, and includes a trailer + some accessories it looks like between $6-7 would be in the ball park for a private sale. The above KBB price is from Detroit, closest state to Ontario - KBB only offers canadian price estimates that are based on your proximity to the US.

How much does a single place trailer like that go for around you. In USED condition, that is.

 

[Bill Ross100]

we have an 08 RXP

08 Seadoo RXP
255 hp sperchargerd
$8700
205 261 1271 alabama

 

[got wake?]

Checked on KBB and the price was $5080

From KBB:The Kelley Blue Book Suggested Retail Value is representative of dealers' asking prices and is the starting point for negotiation between a consumer and a dealer. This Suggested Retail Value assumes that the watercraft has been fully reconditioned and is in excellent condition. Hours/condition and additional equipment may have a substantial impact on the value shown above. This value also takes into account the dealers' profit, costs for advertising, sales commissions and other costs of doing business. The final sale price will likely be less depending on the vehicle's actual condition, popularity, type of warranty offered and local market conditions.

Since it's a private sale, in CAN dollars, and includes a trailer + some accessories it looks like between $6-7 would be in the ball park for a private sale. The above KBB price is from Detroit, closest state to Ontario - KBB only offers canadian price estimates that are based on your proximity to the US.

you know that in canada you can't go by the US market for a lot of things. BRP is horrible about that. a new top of the line GTX limited is $3300 more in canada than the US. the base model GTI 130 is $1600 more. so about 20% more across the board. so you'd be looking at around $6100 just for the seadoo, no trailer or accessories. if the trailer is worth about $500 and the accessories are about $200, that puts it a little shy of $7k. factoring all that in, if the supercharger was rebuilt to the newest standards within about 30 hours, i'd say $7k is a decent deal. if the supercharger hasn't been rebuilt, don't pay $7k for it.

 

[synergy]

Thanks for the reply, you're correct - certain products are much higher in Canada. Hopefully the SC has been rebuilt.

 

[got wake?]

use whatever you can about it to see about talking him down. the supercharger is a good place to start. maintenance records can also help to talk him down if he can't supply them. beyond that, just nit pick at anything you can.

 

[synergy]

How much does a single place trailer like that go for around you. In USED condition, that is.

That's a good question. A used (2000-2003) single trailer looks to run between $400-500 CAN. I seen a few new ones for sale between $600-700. That was however a pretty quick search on a few local buy/sell directories.

 

[synergy]

use whatever you can about it to see about talking him down. the supercharger is a good place to start. maintenance records can also help to talk him down if he can't supply them. beyond that, just nit pick at anything you can.

Thanks, I figured I'd write a bunch of questions down to bring with me. And I'd also do a pretty good once over myself. Not knowing much about what to look for (engine mechanics, etc.) I figured I was going to try and have a local mechanic friend take a peak at it for me - peace of mind. It's an expensive purchase and you'd hate to purchase a lemon.

 

[got wake?]

if you can, ride it before you buy it. it might sound fine idling, but once you get it going under WOT, you should be able to feel if there is any major issues. also, its got a triton trailer, which are some of the better trailers, so keep that in mind.

 

[synergy]

need additional help / advice

if you can, ride it before you buy it. it might sound fine idling, but once you get it going under WOT, you should be able to feel if there is any major issues. also, its got a triton trailer, which are some of the better trailers, so keep that in mind.

The seller got back to my reply about the SC - the repose is below.

"i dont think i have any of the service records i havent really had to haver it serviced i had the oil changed this summer and had it winterized last fall but i didnt keep reciepts sorry. factory recreation in midland is a seadoo dealer and they are certified to service all bombardier machines. i didnt have the supercharger rebuilt i talked to the cove in muskoka and they said there is no need to rebuild them unless it goes and that they usually dont unless you really beat on it. thats just one of those things i guess you have to think about if you want a supercharged unit but it does take a alot to blow them. and yes i do have the learning key to go with it. it also comes with 2 covers that i dont think where listed in the add."

I'm a little concerned with regards to no service other than oil changes. Does anyone know if the manufacture aka BRP - seadoo reccomends certain standard maintenance schedules other than just keeping up with the oil changes? Things do ware-out with time no matter how the seadoo was ran - me thinks. I just don't want to get caught having to repair a bunch of items that should have been done say at the 100hr interval.

Does anyone has a quick list of a few things to check when I go see the seadoo tonight. Also a brief explanation would also be very helpful.

Without any service done I think $6500 would be the max I'd want to pay - any thoughts?

Thanks again.

 

[got wake?]

hopefully someone else can comment on the service intervals, but if not, i can check my owner's manual and see what is listed at 100 hours. i know rotax motors are strong and well built, but they have regular service intervals for a reason and parts wear out. as for the supercharger not going out unless you really beat on it, well that's hogwash. it's a mechanical part just like everything else and has a projected life. since it's a 2003 you know it does not have the newer upgraded components and is more prone to failure. on top of that, can he prove that he never "beat on it"? heck, i know my mom topped mine out the first time she rode it and asked why it would only get up to 65?! you never know how someone rode it, so you can pretty much expect that it would be a wise idea to rebuild the supercharger with the updated components. might as well prevent a problem for a few hundred bucks than have a problem that could cost a lot more to fix, on top of the new parts.

 

[Ottawa RXP]

I just 3 weeks ago bought a 2006 rxp with 66 hours on it, He had no service records for it andf it also came with a older trailer but with all new lighting. He wanted 9500 for it all and I ended up getting it for 9000$.

Once you test it youll know if there are any issues, go half throttle and then full to about 60mph, it will and should get there within 2-3 seconds at most.

I looked at a ton of the year you are seeking but wanted to stay newer as they are 4 stroke which is 100x better, I believe yours in a 2 stroke.

I personally think you can get a better deal for it at this time of year , esp with that many hours. Ive put 10 hours on mine and the thing is still amazing!

 

[synergy]

hopefully someone else can comment on the service intervals, but if not, i can check my owner's manual and see what is listed at 100 hours. i know rotax motors are strong and well built, but they have regular service intervals for a reason and parts wear out. as for the supercharger not going out unless you really beat on it, well that's hogwash. it's a mechanical part just like everything else and has a projected life. since it's a 2003 you know it does not have the newer upgraded components and is more prone to failure. on top of that, can he prove that he never "beat on it"? heck, i know my mom topped mine out the first time she rode it and asked why it would only get up to 65?! you never know how someone rode it, so you can pretty much expect that it would be a wise idea to rebuild the supercharger with the updated components. might as well prevent a problem for a few hundred bucks than have a problem that could cost a lot more to fix, on top of the new parts.

Thanks, much appreciated. I read on another forum (google search) that the SC maintenance is 100hrs or sooner (if a problem is suspected). Additionally, it was suggested "to test SC by removing the inlet hose to SC and stick your finder in the housing and see if you can spin the SC impeller with your fingers (engine off). If you can turn it more than a few degree's then it's spend...the very small amount of rotation that you should feel is gear back-lash (normal)."

Other items that can ware out / to check include - plugs, compression, wear ring and prop, fuel pump / filter in tank, output pressure, etc. Almost looks like I should have a mechanic check it over otherwise I may end up paying too much if no routine maintenance had been done.

With no maintenance done do you think $6500 would be reasonable considering I'll likely have to put $400-600 into repairs, etc. not including the extra time finding a mechanic / dealer, etc.? Not sure how much the kits would cost in Can - likely 20-25% higher than US.

 

[synergy]

A local dealer told me that it costs $700 to rebuild the supercharger and that it should be done every 100hrs! He also suggested that I gather up service records before making a purchase.

 

[dreadnok]

Depending where you are in Ontario you should look on criagslist in the US for a ski. I bought mine there and it is easy to bring over. If you have any questions I would be glad to help.

Just a quick search has a 2003 GTX in New York asking $4900.
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/boa/1839608034.html

And a 2004 GTX in Hartford asking $3500.
http://hartford.craigslist.org/boa/1841531398.html

 

[synergy]

Depending where you are in Ontario you should look on criagslist in the US for a ski. I bought mine there and it is easy to bring over. If you have any questions I would be glad to help.

Just a quick search has a 2003 GTX in New York asking $4900.
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/boa/1839608034.html

And a 2004 GTX in Hartford asking $3500.
http://hartford.craigslist.org/boa/1841531398.html

Thanks, I decided against the above purchase. Did you have to pay a lot of fees when you hit the border? What type of border taxes / duties can be expected? Did you also have to pay a retail sales tax when you registered the seadoo? Currently it looks like Ontarians get hit with a 13% tax on the private sale of used boats / PWC's. How did you go about transfer of ownership, etc? Any info would be greatly appreciated. The CAN dollar is still pretty strong so this may be a viable option.

 

[dreadnok]

It's not really a big deal to bring it over the border.

Just make sure if you buy anything in the US that you get a valid title/ownership for both the seadoo and trailer. Some states like OHIO don't title trailers so you need a valid registration for the trailer.

Before you buy the trailer just get the trailer VIN from the seller ahead of time and call the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (1-888-848-8240) and see if it is valid to bring into Canada.

Once you purchase get a separate bill of sale for the seadoo and trailer. Don't try and lie about the price as you could get into a lot of trouble at the border if they catch you. If you bought a seadoo and trailer for $4000 just put $3500 on the receipt for the seadoo and $500 on the receipt for the trailer. Bring a copy of the craigslist ad with you and any emails you had with the seller about price as proof.

Stop at the border on your way back with you bills of sale and your titles. You will pay HST(15%) on the seadoo and trailer purchase price converted to Canadian dollars at the border. With a trailer you will pay a Registrar of Imported Vehicles fee that is $220.35 cdn. You can pay it at the border or online at www.riv.ca when you get home. It is better to pay online as the will email you Form 2 right away and you don't need to wait for it to come in the mail. You get Form 1 at the border.

Take this form 2 to a Canadian Tire and they inspect the trailer and stamp form 2. Take both forms and title and bill of sale and blue receipt that shows you paid tax at the border to license office and get your new Ontario ownership.

Take you bill of sale for the seadoo, title for seadoo and blue receipt from border that shows the tax you paid to a Service Ontario location and get your Ontario pleasure craft license (ownership).

If you can get one for $4000 you are looking at
$4200 Canadian converted
$546 tax (15% HST)
$220.35 RIV fee for trailer
$4966.35 Canadian Total.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

 

[dreadnok]

Here is a 2005 GTX with 73 hours asking $5900 in Melvindale Michigan.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/boa/1842251294.html

 

[synergy]

It's not really a big deal to bring it over the border.

Just make sure if you buy anything in the US that you get a valid title/ownership for both the seadoo and trailer. Some states like OHIO don't title trailers so you need a valid registration for the trailer.

Before you buy the trailer just get the trailer VIN from the seller ahead of time and call the Registrar of Imported Vehicles (1-888-848-8240) and see if it is valid to bring into Canada.

Once you purchase get a separate bill of sale for the seadoo and trailer. Don't try and lie about the price as you could get into a lot of trouble at the border if they catch you. If you bought a seadoo and trailer for $4000 just put $3500 on the receipt for the seadoo and $500 on the receipt for the trailer. Bring a copy of the craigslist ad with you and any emails you had with the seller about price as proof.

Stop at the border on your way back with you bills of sale and your titles. You will pay HST(15%) on the seadoo and trailer purchase price converted to Canadian dollars at the border. With a trailer you will pay a Registrar of Imported Vehicles fee that is $220.35 cdn. You can pay it at the border or online at www.riv.ca when you get home. It is better to pay online as the will email you Form 2 right away and you don't need to wait for it to come in the mail. You get Form 1 at the border.

Take this form 2 to a Canadian Tire and they inspect the trailer and stamp form 2. Take both forms and title and bill of sale and blue receipt that shows you paid tax at the border to license office and get your new Ontario ownership.

Take you bill of sale for the seadoo, title for seadoo and blue receipt from border that shows the tax you paid to a Service Ontario location and get your Ontario pleasure craft license (ownership).

If you can get one for $4000 you are looking at
$4200 Canadian converted
$546 tax (15% HST)
$220.35 RIV fee for trailer
$4966.35 Canadian Total.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Thanks, much appreciated and very helpful. I will keep my eye on craigslist for sure. I guess I'd have to add some gas into the equation for my travels.

Thanks again.