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Looking at a 150 Speedster - 155hp enough?
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It depends on what you want. I have a '08 150 with the 155hp motor and it is plenty for me (I plan on doing all maintenance myself so not having the supercharger is a plus for me). I never had any problem getting up on plane quickly even with 4 adults on board (about 700lbs) and got a best speed of about 51mph (on gps with only myself on board on very calm, cold water). If you plan on doing a lot of wake boarding then the extra power may be better for you. You may also want the supercharged version if you plan on modding the boat alot because it is easier to improve the performance with the supercharged version - there isn't much you can do to increase the performance of the 155hp version.
With the supercharger you get a bit faster take off and a bit higher top end but end up with higher maintenance costs and higher fuel costs. Check into insurance also because you may end up having to pay more with the supercharged version.
With the supercharger you get a bit faster take off and a bit higher top end but end up with higher maintenance costs and higher fuel costs. Check into insurance also because you may end up having to pay more with the supercharged version.
I honestly probably won't do a lot of wakeboarding or skiing. I mostly want it is a going out for the day type deal. I appreciate the reply though.
I assume its possible to wakeboard / ski with the 155 hp version, just not as easy to get up and go?
Are you financing the boat? If so, how much extra would it be?
On a 4 year loan, 15,000 at 6.5% is about $360/month
On the same term, same rate, but $17,000? $400/month
Think about what you *might* do in the future, and also think about resale value...
I don't know what the difference in value will be 5 years from now (nobody does), but a '99 speedster SK (dual 85hp engines) is worth $6,920, whereas a '99 speedster (dual 110hp engines) is worth $7,560. So on a 9 year old boat, it still adds about 10% to the value of the boat.
Sorry, long winded, but I would spend the extra now to avoid the frustration of not having it later.
On a 4 year loan, 15,000 at 6.5% is about $360/month
On the same term, same rate, but $17,000? $400/month
Think about what you *might* do in the future, and also think about resale value...
I don't know what the difference in value will be 5 years from now (nobody does), but a '99 speedster SK (dual 85hp engines) is worth $6,920, whereas a '99 speedster (dual 110hp engines) is worth $7,560. So on a 9 year old boat, it still adds about 10% to the value of the boat.
Sorry, long winded, but I would spend the extra now to avoid the frustration of not having it later.
sporsterjoel
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I have a 155hp and wakeboard behind every weekend with ease, fist time wakeboardin i got up first try, the 155hp doesnt lack power for water sports... i was looking at the 215hp but it uses premium fuel and the 155 doesn't, also the 215 supercharger needs to be rebuilt every 100hr's. Also if you go for the 215 model change the washers in the supercharger as they can be fualty....
I have pulled 2 adults at the same time on a tube with two adults in the boat (with the 155hp model). I had absolutely no problem ensuring they had more fun than they could handle. I have also had one adult (about 175lbs) water ski behind it without any trouble (with two of us on the boat). I haven't had anyone try wakeboarding so I can't say how it would do with that.
In the end I am not sure how much more you can tow or pull with the 215hp model over the 155hp model but I haven't had any trouble doing anything I wanted so far. Even the 155hp version of the speedster will take off and handle better than almost any other boat out there. The supercharger just takes it a bit further. As we have already said though, that extra power comes at the following added costs:
- More expensive to buy (but you may get some of that back when you sell)
- Harder on gas plus it uses premium vs regular
- More expensive to maintain (depending on how much you use it you may be rebuilding the supercharger every year or two). Winterization will also be a bit more if you live in a colder climate since the supercharger has to be protected against freezing. You should also plan on swapping out the ceramic washers on the supercharger if they are still shipping the supercharger with them (they were at the beginning of the 2008 model year)
- My insurance company would have charged me more since in their books my boat was rated to go 48mph and the SCIC was rated at 52mph and they charged more for anything over 50mph
In the end if the added power/speed out-weighs the added costs for you or you intend to mod your boat then the SCIC is the better choice for you.
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Like most recent cars, you can use regular even if it calls for premium. That said, you will lose a bit of performance as the computer will likely adjust the timing to prevent pinging. You can expect that instead of 215hp you will get something along the lines of 205-210hp when you use regular.
Personally, I am not sure that I would trust it when you are running at up to 8000rpm for extended periods of time though.
Personally, I am not sure that I would trust it when you are running at up to 8000rpm for extended periods of time though.
RightOnTarget1
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155 is pretty good...
I recently spent a day and a half on a church youth trip driving a friend's 155. I liked it so much I came back and bought a 215. This past weekend, I just got 10 hours and the boat is in for it's 10 hour service now. Frankly, I was surprised there was such a small difference. I was pulling two teenagers at a time with the 155 in a Big Bertha tube with plenty of throttle to spare. The 215 has a bit more top end, but I would not hesitate to buy a 155 if it was a good deal.
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I recently spent a day and a half on a church youth trip driving a friend's 155. I liked it so much I came back and bought a 215. This past weekend, I just got 10 hours and the boat is in for it's 10 hour service now. Frankly, I was surprised there was such a small difference. I was pulling two teenagers at a time with the 155 in a Big Bertha tube with plenty of throttle to spare. The 215 has a bit more top end, but I would not hesitate to buy a 155 if it was a good deal.
Jim
It does not require premium. It is just recommended for optimum performance. I alternate between mid and premium with every fill up as long as I have at least half a tank left. If it is too low, I just fill with premium. The difference is what, .20-.40/gal depending on the gas station- negligible overall.
As for protecting the supercharger from freezing- this is the first I have heard of this- any supporting info? With the centrifugal supercharged cars I have built, freezing isn't a problem- starting them when they are freezing may be though. I'd think the same would hold true for the boat. It can get as cold and contract all it wants, as long as it is not spun to cause an interference problem. Since I don't plan on using the boat in the winter, that shouldn't be a problem
. If you do have any solid info on this though, I would like to check it out. Thanks.Joe
I can honestly tell you that the longer you have the boat, the more you get into watersports and such and start wishing you had something- more power, "should have got the wakeboard rack", maybe a bigger boat would have been better, etc.
Just keep this in mind. If you are trying to be cost conscious, then it is cheaper to be honest with what you'll want (taking the "bug" you'll get into consideration
) up front and get it all at once. If you have any regrets and trade it in later for something that better suits your needs, then it will cost you much more in the long run.Rebuilt- or inspected? I thought I read inspected or at the worst, maybe new washers? If it is just the washers, that is really not a supercharger rebuild. Just curious.
As for protecting the supercharger from freezing- this is the first I have heard of this- any supporting info? With the centrifugal supercharged cars I have built, freezing isn't a problem- starting them when they are freezing may be though. I'd think the same would hold true for the boat. It can get as cold and contract all it wants, as long as it is not spun to cause an interference problem. Since I don't plan on using the boat in the winter, that shouldn't be a problem
Joe
I may have used my words incorrectly there. I didn't mean that you can't let the Supercharger freeze. What I meant is that the SCIC requires a bit more work when you winterize it (if you live in an area where it will freeze). It is more the intercooler that requires it since it is not self draining and you have to ensure you don't let the water remain in it for the winter. The dealer here charges a bit more to winterize the SCIC over the 155hp version.
sporsterjoel
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I was told by a dealership that seadoo called for it to be rebuilt every 100hr's, My dad's cuzin is a lic seadoo tec LOL just found that out this week so now i have all the hook ups... If he's there on sat when i go to pick my boat ill ask him about the supercharger related questions....
Maybe that applies to the older boats before the closed loop cooling? As far as I know (and I admittedly haven't looked that closely, so I may be wrong), the intercooler uses the coolant water for cooling on the closed loop system. If this is the case, it should not freeze as it has antifreeze in the system as it is. If it were to freeze, it would do much more damage than just to the intercooler assembly
. Again, I may be wrong, but I'll check my boat when I get it back to verify.Maybe that applies to the older boats before the closed loop cooling? As far as I know (and I admittedly haven't looked that closely, so I may be wrong), the intercooler uses the coolant water for cooling on the closed loop system. If this is the case, it should not freeze as it has antifreeze in the system as it is. If it were to freeze, it would do much more damage than just to the intercooler assembly
The supercharger cooling is part of the open loop cooling system on these boats. It uses the same water that is used to cool the exhaust. The closed loop system is only really used to cool the engine.
EDIT - Again, sorry, I meant the intercooler cooling is part of the open loop system.
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Yeah, if superchargers are anything like they are on cars it is only one more problem to go wrong with the boat.
I have 110hp and I wish I had another 45 ponies to pull people with, but what if my engine was twice as fast as it is now....well I think it might be excessive for a 4 person boat haha.
I have 110hp and I wish I had another 45 ponies to pull people with, but what if my engine was twice as fast as it is now....well I think it might be excessive for a 4 person boat haha.
I wasn't aware that it used two systems. That makes sense now, thanks. So, how do you drain the open loop part of the system? Also, where is the water pickup for it located? Thanks.
I've run several supercharger and turbo charger systems on numerous cars over the years- both oem and aftermarket high powered setups on both daily drivers and weekend/strip cars and have never had any reliability problems with any of them. Don't know what makes you think they'd be unreliable?
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