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98 Speedster port engine stalls

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catesj

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Wow, what a great form.
Just signed up a few weeks ago and have spending hours reading up on my newly aquired 98 speedster and some of the issues I might encounter.
I do have one issue with this boat that someone might be able to help me with.
First a little back ground info. I found this boat at a dearlership in Michigan. It's in great shape. Less than 50hrs, stored inside, compression averages 135 for both engines, no major issues really except I sometimes have the port side engine stall when I slowly speed up to WOT. This is a real pain when trying to pull up a skier. If I quickly jam it to WOT it seems to run fine. It's just when accelerating slowly that it stalls the port engine. It also seems to take more effort to get it to start when it is cold. In the beginning it would sometimes stall when idling for a few minutes. The dealership told me to just turn up the idle speed a little, which I have done. Both engines now idle the same...according to the tach.
Another thing I found was that when at idle I had water squirting out the port side exhaust pipe on the section of the U shaped pipe. I fixed this with a large gear clamp and piece of rad hose. I'll wait until the winter to have it TIG welded properly. Could the water squirting on the MAG area of the engine cause the stalling or are they sealed up pretty good??
After reading about the problems people have encountered with the twin 787's here on this form, I have been slowly picking away at some of the simple things that might be causing this issue They are as follows: New plugs, new fuel filters, cleaned RAVE valves. I do have a shop maual and my next steps are to pull the carbs and check their adjustment and maybe check the clearance on the rotary valve.
Other than the stalling the boat runs great, lots of power and good top end speed.
Anyone else out there with similar problem or have any suggestions before I tear into the carbs???
 
Quick update, I just finished cleaning the carbs. They didn't look too bad. I couldn't find anything obviously wrong. Small filters were a little dirty.
I went through entire installation, set up and adjustment thats outlined in the shop manual.
It started right up after I was done.
I also checked the clearance on the rotary valve. It's between .012 and .013 which according to the manual is within spec.
I'll check it in the water maybe tomorrow.
 
Quick update, I just finished cleaning the carbs. They didn't look too bad. I couldn't find anything obviously wrong. Small filters were a little dirty.
I went through entire installation, set up and adjustment thats outlined in the shop manual.
It started right up after I was done.
I also checked the clearance on the rotary valve. It's between .012 and .013 which according to the manual is within spec.
I'll check it in the water maybe tomorrow.

Did you have any luck resolving your issue ?? I have a 1999 Speedster (787 engines) and I have the same issue...
 
No, not completely, but I think I have it pin pointed.
After disassembling and cleaning the carbs more times than I want to remember, I've found that one of the accelerator pump injector nozzles has not been squirting fuel directly into the throat of the carb like the other three do. It squirts fuel almost side ways and seems to cause a delay or bog on that engine. I think initially this nozzle may have been partially plugged and made matter worse by causing it to stall as well.
The nozzles are press fit into the carb housing and are nearly impossible to move. I'm now looking for a used carb(s) to swap this one out.
What is your boat doing??
 
Stalling issues 787

I am having the same problem and have rebuilt my carbs. and replaced my filters. I don't feel that the rotation of the squirters is your/our problem. The motor would then have run poorly since new. The carbs. are still pulling a vacuum and sucking it in. I am leaning towards water contamination in the fuel. Once the motor heats up, sometimes mine will rev up fine but, then it will happen again intermittenly. I am wondering how weel the stock filters will filter out water if at all. The fuel pickups are retrofitted from single engine setups. One motor runs off of the Reserve nipple and the other will run off of the On nipple. My theory is that the motor hooked to the Reserve nipple is gathering all of the sediment/water from the bottom of the tank. We could try to switch the fuel lines (On and Reserve) and see if the problems switch over. I missed out on selling my boat because of this problem! Please continue to report your findings and I will do the same.
 
I just bought a 97 speedster, with the same issue. Funny how these things don't happen during a test drive - when you're buying a boat. It doesn't seem to happen when the engine is still cold (or at least we don't try to pull skiers straight away). My compressions are a bit less - 130 all around. It's the left engine that cuts out. I'm just starting on the debug process, and cleaned - regapped the plugs, and adjusted the throttle cable. The other strange thing, is that this engine tends to cavitate if throttle is applied abruptly (and pulling a skier) - so it's really annoying, because it either dies, or cavitates.
 
I had a similar issue with mine. Ran great when we took it out for a test drive, but have been using it this past weekend with a few issues. I never added gas because it was still full when I bought it. After taking it out Thursday and Saturday, I noticed the motor kept cutting out. Added some gas before taking it out Sunday (93 octane, ethanol free) and it still ran like crap for a little while. We got to a beach, I pulled everything out of the boat and took it out with just me and my brother and beat the crap out if it for a few minutes. I don't know if it just needed to be thrashed a bit, or if the new gas finally made its way to the carbs, but after that, it ran perfect, didn't cut out at all, didn't bog down, ran awesome. I hate to say it, but it may be something as simple as bad gas if he used something with ethanol in it. If it's been sitting for a while, I read that ethanol breaks down quickly, unlike gasoline, and it does a number on your rubber gaskets and hoses. Just a thought, and possibly a quick, innexpensive fix...

Adam
 
Yeah, it could be the gas. I also filled mine up, as it was half full. I'm now going to run the tank dry when I get a chance, and do as you did Adam, run it on high power for a while. Unfortunately, the weather turned bad here on the mid Atlantic East Coast region.
 
I know people don't believe me that I think the cause of my bog is the accelerator pump nozzle squirting almost sideways. Even my local dealer/technician initially didn't think it would cause the bog.
I still think I'm right. My technician said he wouldn't consider it plausible until I swapped the carbs from motor to motor and have the symptoms follow the carbs.
So I switched the carbs last weekend and guess what??? Same problem on the other engine. I know, it still doesn't mean it's the nozzles, but I can actually see it happening now.
With the bad carbs now installed on the starboard side I can stand beside the boat in the shop while the engine is running on the garden hose. I've removed the air box and the flame arrestor and operate the throttle by hand at the carb. I can see the engine start to rev up, hesitate and almost stall out. Then the engine takes off and revs up. This all happens exactly the same time that the one carb shoots sideways and dribbles down the throat of the carb and into the engine.
I bought this boat from a dealer. Its a 98 and the dealer said the the boat has almost no hours on it. I checked the compression and found all four cylinder are 150 psi. The boat and motors look brand new. I'm guessing that the original owner had the same issue and just didn't follow up on it. I'm sure the defective carb would have been replaced under warranty when the boat was new.
So now I'm looking for a good used carb to replace the bad one. I really wish I could remove the old nozzle and reposition it properly. I've tried a small pair of needle nosed vise grips with no luck. I'm afraid of breaking the nozzle which would make the carb useless. These nozzles are press fit into the carb body and next to impossible to remove.
I'm told that only the Sea Doo boats use the accelerator pumps. None of the ski's used them, which makes finding a good used one that much harder.
 
Although I don't have this issue, the accelerator jet squirts at a 30 degree angle down into the middle of the carb, I'm curious, when you revved the engine, did you see the carb squirt onto the side? The theory was, which I also thought would hold, that the suction would suck it down regardless.
 
Yes. I can clearly see the fuel squirting sideways and hitting the side of the carb instead of being shot directly down the throat of the carb.
I know nobody thinks that this would cause the bog, but now after loosing track of how many times I have removed/rebuilt/clean the carbs it's really the only thing left. when the boat is out of the water and running on the garden hose it doesn't seem to bog as bad as it does in the water, but I'm sure that it is just the fact that the engine is under load in the water.
It sort of reminds me of riding my old Honda CR 125 when you roll on the throttle and the power band kicks in......just not as fun.
 
By the way - where did you find 93 Octane ethanol free?

Actually, I'm wondering if I did... I thought it had to be displayed if they used ethanol. I've seen those signs everywhere, and there weren't any on this pump, so I had hoped for the best, but after reading some things about the area gas stations, it sounds like there is only one place that has ethanol-free gas, and it's not the one I was at, and, they only have it in 89. So nevermind... But I'm thinking maybe it was just the fresh gas that it liked. Maybe the gas that was in there was from last summer or something. I don't really know, I just know that it's performing awesome right now...

Adam
 
Glad to hear you have you machine working nice.
I know for sure that it's not a fuel issue with mine. I've run multiple tanks of fuel through mine so far this year.
I confirmed it's a carb problem by swapping carbs.
 
Actually, I'm wondering if I did... I thought it had to be displayed if they used ethanol. I've seen those signs everywhere, and there weren't any on this pump, so I had hoped for the best, but after reading some things about the area gas stations, it sounds like there is only one place that has ethanol-free gas, and it's not the one I was at, and, they only have it in 89. So nevermind... But I'm thinking maybe it was just the fresh gas that it liked. Maybe the gas that was in there was from last summer or something. I don't really know, I just know that it's performing awesome right now...

Adam


Around here they use ethanol and they don't have to display it. If I were to drive an hour and a half (before I moved, it was 20 minutes) north there's a gas station that has a big sign saying ethanol free. Also consider WHEN you pump the gas, as I heard and I've noticed that buying gas during or within an hour or so after being refilled, contaminants are stirred up and you can get some in your tank. If there's a truck dumping gas into the ground, I pass it up. The filters at gas stations are only so good, and it's easy to pick up junk in your gas if it's stirred up.

Good luck with the original problem, just wanted to share my experience with the gas issue.
 
Well I replaced the fuel filters, gapped the plugs, poured Sta-bil ethanol equalizer into the tank, and the boat ran great - until a friend tried to pull me. Then the port engine quit again. Told her to give it more abrupt throttle, and then it worked fine. When I drove it around the whole afternoon, it usually behaved fine, but even than occasionally the left would struggle a bit, when I was accelerating more slowly. Oh well, I'll just have to live with it.
 
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