thejuice48
Active Member
I ordered a brand new Seadoo branded DESS key. It arrived yesterday and I compared it to my old key, and the round attachment part looks smaller. Are there different versions of the DESS keys?
DESS key size difference
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SpitandDirt
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No, there should not be any differences between key sizes. The only difference is who the manufacturer was that cast the mold around the magnet and chip.
thejuice48
Active Member
Well the new ones doesn't fit. Can't push it over the post. Old one has metal exposed with larger diameter. Newer one is much smaller. Having to return and order new key.
See difference Keys – Google Drive
See difference Keys – Google Drive
SpitandDirt
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There it is. Completely went over my head when he said metal was exposed.
thejuice48
Active Member
Well the #*#*#*#*#* advertised it as a DESS key with the correct part number. Grrr. I'm really getting sick of this DESS. Can I send my MPEM off to remove the DESS function so any key will work?
SpitandDirt
Member
Welcome to the party. DESS was designed as nothing more than a engineered method of obsolescence. People would become frustrated that they needed a new key which would become an opportunity for the dealer to sell new units. DESS is one of the very first ways that manufacturers started locking the end user from performing maintenance on their own vehicles. Sure, the automotive industry was slowly moving in that direction as well during the mid 90's but at least there was competition between scan-tool manufacturers. Before CanDooPro came out, the only option was the dealer scan tool.
Some MPEMs can disable DESS using a CanDooPro. Some MPEMs will turn into a brick. Otherwise buying an aftermarket MPEM(if one is available through WSMParts) is the only option.
thejuice48
Active Member
Found someone out of MN that will remove the DESS feature. I figure in the long run it will be cheaper than worrying about keys. Even with DESS, my RXP was stolen right of the trailer locked down with chains, locks, blocked in by cars. If someone wants to steal something they will. I no longer keep any of my skis on floating docks, but I also never caught anyone brazen enough try to remove the cover from my ski, attach and key and try to take off from right behind my condos from 1997 - 2009. They were however ballsy enough to steal the one on the trailer very blocked in, protected, and went unnoticed.
My two options at this point are an aftermarket MPEM, or send mine to be modified. Seems like simple math and rationale.
thejuice48
Active Member
So the MPEM is on it's way to have it reprogrammed. Should be there Tuesday and on it's way back by Wednesday.
thejuice48
Active Member
I specifically asked if he could remove the feature. He has an original Seadoo BUDS, so perhaps it's doable with that, but not a candoo?
thejuice48
Active Member
Update:
It is possible to disable the DESS feature. It now works with any key. It still does the double-beep, so someone would not know it's disabled and a long beep when key isn't seated right. Hopefully by the time I get the battery back in with the new motor it will remain so. Otherwise, it will be off to MN again!
It is possible to disable the DESS feature. It now works with any key. It still does the double-beep, so someone would not know it's disabled and a long beep when key isn't seated right. Hopefully by the time I get the battery back in with the new motor it will remain so. Otherwise, it will be off to MN again!
Beef
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I’m interested to hear your results. I just bought a new 2022 fishpro and wanted a spare key made. I took it to the stealership who screwed around with the keys but could never get the machine to accept both keys as programmed. It was either the original or the new one, not both. I would like to trash the Dess.
Beef
Member
That was my thought as well, but I don't have another dealership in the area and I don't want to tow my ski two hours away just to get the same story that BRP screwed up. Do you know if multiple keys are a possibility on the 2022 Fishpro machines. The technician said he's had no problem programming multiple keys with the BRP side by sides.
Beef
Member
The ridiculous thing is that this machine only came with one key. There is no learner key as with older machines. My local dealer has not been at all helpful and tries to screw me every chance he gets including trying to charge me for a new key when he can't get the key purchased from Sea Doo to program. Can you explain the significance of buds2 in the programming. I watched this video from 2019 that made it look like a straight forward process.
How To Program A DESS Key For Your Sea Doo Personal Water Craft Jet Ski
sorry I pasted the wrong link in the original response.
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ski-d00
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Most of the newer machines, GTX, RXT, RXP, etc. come with 2 keys including the programmable lower speed key as well where you can set the speed to limit it to. I would expect the fishpro to be the same.
BUDS2 is the latest version of the BRP software which came out in like 2016 but regular BUDS works on most everything until 22 or 23 models. BUDS will probabaly read the ECU but it may not be able to complete the programming process.
BUDS2 is the latest version of the BRP software which came out in like 2016 but regular BUDS works on most everything until 22 or 23 models. BUDS will probabaly read the ECU but it may not be able to complete the programming process.
thejuice48
Active Member
I believe I had a learning key with both of my RX's too. They were colored differently than the original.
I have had no problems with removing the DESS feature, and as long as you don't tell anyone, they would likely never know nor try.
Although some have said the keys haven't changed, my friend's GTI has a wierd key that looks like the claw in those stuffed animal games where you use the claw to grab the item and drag it over to the dispenser to win it.
I told him I see these prongs breaking off at some point with too much exposure to sun.
I have had no problems with removing the DESS feature, and as long as you don't tell anyone, they would likely never know nor try.
Although some have said the keys haven't changed, my friend's GTI has a wierd key that looks like the claw in those stuffed animal games where you use the claw to grab the item and drag it over to the dispenser to win it.
I told him I see these prongs breaking off at some point with too much exposure to sun.
Please start a thread in the 4-stroke PWC section for your issue.
